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An Unreasonable Amount of Time

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Re: An Unreasonable Amount of Time

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of what people think of as "technology" is actually this knowledge. Your friend has lots of experience. There's people they know and trust to do certain tasks. Those people know other people who know how to solve this or that problem. They know their gear and are constantly experimenting with new gear and getting to know it. You could gather all the "technology", all the equipment, all the cables and boxes and…

Yup. The term “tribal knowledge,” is used as a pejorative, in tech architecture, but I have found it to be the “magic ingredient” to really successful endeavors. I worked for a corporation that is over a hundred years old, and is absolutely dripping with “tribal knowledge.” They regularly accomplish stuff that is considered nearly impossible. But “tribal knowledge” basically means that you need to keep employees arou…

I see this misunderstanding all the time. A manager (people manager or project manager) gets bent out of shape because person X can do something and person Y with the same job title can't do it. Sometimes this is for bad reasons: poor documentation practices, or person X protecting their turf or their job security by hoarding information. But just as often it's because person X has a ton of relevant knowledge and experience that is a great asset to the company, and person Y maybe has less experience, or their experience and knowledge are concentrated in a different area. Often the fault is with the people or project manager, who is failing in their responsibility to understand and manage the company's talent effectively.

Re: An Unreasonable Amount of Time

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This was a pleasant surprise and a pleasant read. Its message reminds me of the words of Shunryu Suzuki: > As to progress -- we don’t know how much progress we made, actually, but if you practice it you will realize -- some day you will realize that our progress is not -- it is not possible to make rapid, extraordinary progress. Even though you try very hard, you cannot actually make progress. The progress you make i…

Practice now, realize later, feels deeply dualistic to me.

I imagine he would say to practice is to realize and to realize is to practice.

Re: An Unreasonable Amount of Time

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> I am certain I’ve seen Penn & Teller describe this trick, but can’t find a citation online. They wrote about a similar trick in their book How to Play In Traffic, but let me know if you know where they explain the “buried underground” version. I also remember watching Penn (I assume) explaining this concept and it's been living in my head ever since. Does anyone know the video?

https://youtu.be/gnEGedfTrzc?si=bqbMx34WORfLWxac&t=143

There's a version of that trick in this video.

Re: An Unreasonable Amount of Time

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This was a pleasant surprise and a pleasant read. Its message reminds me of the words of Shunryu Suzuki: > As to progress -- we don’t know how much progress we made, actually, but if you practice it you will realize -- some day you will realize that our progress is not -- it is not possible to make rapid, extraordinary progress. Even though you try very hard, you cannot actually make progress. The progress you make i…

Practice now, realize later, feels deeply dualistic to me.

Isn't it just saying, a gain realized from compound interest over long-enough time is crazy yet short term gains is practically zero, yet total gain is anything but zero, and also there really isn't a magical zero effort quick and easy jackpot skill gain IRL

Re: An Unreasonable Amount of Time

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This was a pleasant surprise and a pleasant read. Its message reminds me of the words of Shunryu Suzuki: > As to progress -- we don’t know how much progress we made, actually, but if you practice it you will realize -- some day you will realize that our progress is not -- it is not possible to make rapid, extraordinary progress. Even though you try very hard, you cannot actually make progress. The progress you make i…

I can't help but feel like our modern society has sadly become the opposite of what this quote is talking about. Rather than slow and accepting, we're all about doing things fast and efficiently and betterment at all costs. The growth mindset, get up and grind, etc etc. Can't you practice faster? Learn faster? Put in more time? Even the most a human can reasonably do is never enough nowadays. High achievement is the new table stakes. IMO it's time for our society to take a hike and allow us to return to the spirit of the quote you've shared.

Re: An Unreasonable Amount of Time

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> I am certain I’ve seen Penn & Teller describe this trick, but can’t find a citation online. They wrote about a similar trick in their book How to Play In Traffic, but let me know if you know where they explain the “buried underground” version. I also remember watching Penn (I assume) explaining this concept and it's been living in my head ever since. Does anyone know the video?

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Re: An Unreasonable Amount of Time

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post #47

Hmm, I think 'fail fast' and 'embrace the grind' are popular and somewhat contradictory advices. Which is better? I think 'fail fast' is (or was?) a bit overhyped so I tend to err on the side of 'embrace the grind'. But obviously the art is in deciding which one to follow in a case by case basis. Working on your dream game for years only to find absolutely no traction is not a good place to be in, but constantly chas…

Maybe "embrace the grind" encapsulates "fail fast"? Success rarely comes from failing just once—most of the time, repeated failure is part of the grind.

Re: An Unreasonable Amount of Time

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> I am certain I’ve seen Penn & Teller describe this trick, but can’t find a citation online. They wrote about a similar trick in their book How to Play In Traffic, but let me know if you know where they explain the “buried underground” version. I also remember watching Penn (I assume) explaining this concept and it's been living in my head ever since. Does anyone know the video?

I've definitely heard it too - the only place I can think of is an interview Penn did with Tim Ferriss ( https://tim.blog/2020/01/09/penn-jillette/ ) but my scratchings from that episode don't include this particular anecdote so maybe it wasn't that. The way I heard him describe it was "To any normal person this would seem like a totally unreasonable amount of time, EXCEPT to a magician [because that's their job]", o…

I think I recall reading about this concept in a magazine article written by Teller. He was describing a trick performed on a talk show (maybe Letterman?) that included releasing cockroaches. He described all the research and testing they did to find a type of cockroach that would move at the correct speed (not too fast or too slow). I think about this when I read about how tricks are done. Like when a girl is instantly teleported from a box on the stage to the upper balcony of a theater. It just never occurs to the average person that the magician would go through the trouble of hiring and paying twin (or even triplet) girls just to pull off that one trick in an act.
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