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Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by slowmovintarget »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #39
reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

> What's their actual product differentiation from Chrome these days? Not being the progenitor and linchpin of surveillance capitalism.

That and Firefox can run a full-grown version of uBlock Origin that actually works... at least for now.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

Surely there’s an extension that does vertical tabs…

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

#63

Post by janfoeh »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #61
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's their actual product differentiation from Chrome these days? Not being the progenitor and linchpin of surveillance capitalism.

That and Firefox can run a full-grown version of uBlock Origin that actually works... at least for now.

uBlock Matrix, not Origin, if you actually want fine-grained control.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

#64

Post by amatecha »

Can I just be blunt here and ask, why the F? No one asked for this. No one wants this. We just want a good, standards-compliant browser that doesn't eat up 8gb of RAM watching a single YouTube video (something that seems to be quite a challenge, though not entirely the browser engine's fault but rather the runaway train that is "capitalistic motives dictate the browser is now an OS and needs all features thereof"))…

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

#65

Post by zitterbewegung »

reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

They seem to feel that they will be marginalized if Google stops paying them to set their default search engine to Google but, the way they have handled it is to focus on everything else other than their browser. At this point since browser engines are dominated by Blink and Webkit what exactly does Mozilla have? Their market share just keeps on going down.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by reissbaker »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #62
reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

Surely there’s an extension that does vertical tabs…

There is, but hiding the tabs on top — IMO the entire point of vertical tabs, since almost all screens have more horizontal than vertical space — isn't supported without maintaining your own custom CSS. It's a pain.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by brokencode »

reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

Mozilla is almost totally dependent on payments from Google to survive. If Google stops the payments, Mozilla probably goes out of business.

I think it’s pretty clear why they keep on doing this type of side project. They are trying anything they can think of to diversify revenue.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by likeabatterycar »

reissbaker wrote: post #60
endofreach wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The minute Mozilla starts being relevant in search, Google will cut their billions USD/year sponsorship, killing Mozilla in the process. The incentives are not there. Google needs mozilla more than anyone. It would be a big win for the web if google stopped financing mozilla and had to deal with the consequences.

Why does Google need Mozilla at this point? Firefox has 2.6% market share. Sure, I imagine the cost/benefit ratio is slightly positive for Google, but Mozilla needs Google since that's the majority of their revenue; the reverse is definitely not true.

Mozilla is like the legit side business the Mafia uses for taxes, group health benefits, etc. and to give an air of legitimacy to their operation.

Google needs Mozilla to exist to prove on paper they don't hold a monopoly with Chrome.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

#69

Post by echelon »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #65
reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

They seem to feel that they will be marginalized if Google stops paying them to set their default search engine to Google but, the way they have handled it is to focus on everything else other than their browser. At this point since browser engines are dominated by Blink and Webkit what exactly does Mozilla have? Their market share just keeps on going down.

They should have become the Rust company and built services around it.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by Duwensatzaj »

reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

> What's their actual product differentiation from Chrome these days?

Providing monopoly protection to Google.

They have no interest in actually competing for market share.

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