> When I went up to staff at GitHub, it helped that I had been the kernel of a small APAC-based engineering team This is giving me major white savior vibes, as in management didn't want to talk to those foreginers who acted and spoke English funny, so he became the Western face of the team, and took all the credit. All of which is sadly a thing.
How I got promoted to staff engineer twice
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Re: How I got promoted to staff engineer twice
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want to self-identify as a grifter-grinder that’s also your right…?
Not how I identify myself, but sure. What’s your point?
Re: How I got promoted to staff engineer twice
#63> When I went up to staff at GitHub, it helped that I had been the kernel of a small APAC-based engineering team This is giving me major white savior vibes, as in management didn't want to talk to those foreginers who acted and spoke English funny, so he became the Western face of the team, and took all the credit. All of which is sadly a thing.
Corollary: This role can also be filled by someone of Asian heritage who was raised in the US, and who speaks English very well, as well as some Asian language proficiently.
- That still doesn't address the core issue which isn't inherently racial. It's that if you come from a certain part of the world, there's an effective glass ceiling for you and all of your achievements and hard work has to go through a Western person, whose only attribute is being more palatable to Western tastes. Not hard work, not technical expertise, not spending sleepless nights getting the blocker bugs fixed so that the product can ship on time. What do you think that does to morale? And is it morally right to run a company this way?
- A person named Sean Goedecke probably isn't that person anyways.
Re: How I got promoted to staff engineer twice
#641. Insulted the company the person has worked for (Irrelevant to the post)
2. Insulted the titles as meaningless (Irrelevant to the post)
3. Talked about Job scope (Irrelevant to the post)
4. Demeaned the promotion (Sour grapes and just nasty)
Now, i get that promotions in corporate environments are always a nasty business - unfair, political, skewed and arbitrary. It doesnt always go to the most deserving.
What this post has done (at least in my experience in the corporate world) is shown how the sausage is made. It is not pretty and a lot of the post dwells on "buy-in", "sponsorship", "relationships", etc because this is how the game is played. I have personally seen it played by both technically competent and technically incompetent people for senior technical roles.
I wish the comments would focus on the contents of the article rather than sounding like a bunch of people tired of corporate shenanigans. I mean, we all are tired of corporate bullshit when it comes to promotion. At a certain point, i decided to stop playing it and decided i am going to effectively "plateau" at that level. But, that gave me leverage i didnt have before which is that i no longer that to do anything i didnt want to do - skip-level ass-kissing, show-boating, etc, etc.
To all aspirants who wish to climb the corporate ladder and reap the benefits (financial, better job prospects, ability to work internationally at higher levels of seniority, better mating chances, better access to higher quality of life services, etc while trading off your time, stress and likely your physical and mental health), this post has solid advice.
Re: How I got promoted to staff engineer twice
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Corollary: This role can also be filled by someone of Asian heritage who was raised in the US, and who speaks English very well, as well as some Asian language proficiently.
Yes, but: - That still doesn't address the core issue which isn't inherently racial. It's that if you come from a certain part of the world, there's an effective glass ceiling for you and all of your achievements and hard work has to go through a Western person, whose only attribute is being more palatable to Western tastes. Not hard work, not technical expertise, not spending sleepless nights getting the blocker bug…
It's already happening.
Re: How I got promoted to staff engineer twice
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It takes a staff engineer at FAANG to do what a senior can do at a smaller company This is beyond laughable. FAANGs are pretty much the only place where staff is actually hard to make. I see countless "senior" engineers with 3 years of experience in smaller companies. The truth is it would take a good entry-level FAANG engineer to match a senior engineer in a smaller company.
i don’t see why the size of the company one works for has to be correlated with an engineer’s skill level. i’ve seen some of the best programmers i ever met cone out of 10 years working at a small company because it happened to be closer to his kid’s school route.
People have such weird delusions about this. Imagine saying the same thing about the NBA vs your local pick-up games. Literally untenable.
Re: How I got promoted to staff engineer twice
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nothing. The manager reads the Phsycology of the engineer and gives them whatever title which makes them happy. Since vast majority of humans find meaning and purposes in random words this works.(Starts with identification with their own randomly assigned name when they were born). A better measurement of significance would be the amount of money one get paid. That has more correlation with reality than random titles…
+1 They can call me "junior" or whatever they like, just give me more comp please.
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#70What is the difference between a senior engineer and a staff engineer?
Scope of influence. A senior should be defining and building things within their team. A staff engineer or a principal should be influencing things more broadly than their team.