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All You Need Is 4x 4090 GPUs to Train Your Own Model

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Re: All You Need Is 4x 4090 GPUs to Train Your Own Model

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Interesting that DLSS 3 is mentioned as an advantage?

I clarified bit more on the article regarding this. But basically "Well this may not directly provide benefit but because this is a consumer grade card these features enabled having support for more advanced features such as bfloat16 and event float8 training support also the sheer number of cuda cores."

Re: All You Need Is 4x 4090 GPUs to Train Your Own Model

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post #29

Interesting that DLSS 3 is mentioned as an advantage?

Because the article was clearly co-authored by AI

It is co-authored by AI but I left it because it made some indirect sense. I clarified on the parent comment

Re: All You Need Is 4x 4090 GPUs to Train Your Own Model

#63

Thanks for sharing. Have you prodded the model with various inputs and written an article that show various output examples? I'd love to get an idea of what sort of "end product" 4x4090s is capable of producing.

You might find more information here helpful https://sabareesh.com/posts/llm-intro/ But i am still in process of evaluating post training process with RL. RLHF is almost a mirage that shows what is possible but not the full capability of what model can do

Re: All You Need Is 4x 4090 GPUs to Train Your Own Model

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is some additional journey apart from the rig. https://sabareesh.com/posts/llm-intro/

How long does training a 1B or 500M model take approximately on the 4-GPU setup? Or does that dramatically depend on the training data? I didn’t see that info on your pages.

Roughly it takes 7 days to train on 100B tokens on 500M model

Re: All You Need Is 4x 4090 GPUs to Train Your Own Model

#65

You can get 4060 ti 16GB cards for ~$450 or 4070 ti 16gb for ~850 instead of the $2.5k for a 4090. I wonder how well 4 of those cards would perform. The 4060 TDP is 165w instead of 450w for the 4090. The 4070 looks like the best tradeoff though for cost/power/etc though. You could probably set up an 8 card 4070 ti 16gb system for less than the 4 card 4090 system

I was eyeing 4060 before going with 4090. But it boils down to cuda cores and memory bandwidth

Re: All You Need Is 4x 4090 GPUs to Train Your Own Model

#67

Let's talk riser cables. I keep encountering issues with riser connectors claiming to support PCIe 4.0, which seem to have sub-par performance. They work fine with the GPUs and NICs I tested them with, but attaching a nvme drive causes all kinds of issues and prevents the machine from booting. I guess nvme isn't as tolerant of elevated bit-error-rates. That just doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in those risers, so…

NVMe sits over PCIe. I'd be more inclined to believe they're playing games with their voltage levels to lower power consumption on mobile/embedded (not based on anything but I wouldn't be surprised). Or, if you're then going to an m.2 adapter, something with that.

Re: All You Need Is 4x 4090 GPUs to Train Your Own Model

#68

You can get 4060 ti 16GB cards for ~$450 or 4070 ti 16gb for ~850 instead of the $2.5k for a 4090. I wonder how well 4 of those cards would perform. The 4060 TDP is 165w instead of 450w for the 4090. The 4070 looks like the best tradeoff though for cost/power/etc though. You could probably set up an 8 card 4070 ti 16gb system for less than the 4 card 4090 system

I was eyeing 4060 before going with 4090. But it boils down to cuda cores and memory bandwidth

The 4090 computer per watt is the best (on paper) between the 4060 ti, 4070 ti and 4090. Best bang for $$ though looks like the 4070ti 16GB. I've been eying that one for a new dual card training rig.

Re: All You Need Is 4x 4090 GPUs to Train Your Own Model

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GPU rental market is fairly reasonable. There's lots of companies doing it. (I work at one of them). 4x 4090 can be fetched for around $0.40/hour on some platforms ... about $1.20 on others depending on how available you want it. Regardless, all in, you can do an average 10-or-so-day train for If you want on-prem, wait a few months. The supply of 5000 series (probably announced at CES in a few days) should push m…

How soon could I break even on renting my GPUs out?

is your electricity free? Some of these cards probably cost about $0.10/hr to run ... depending on your card/electricity rate etc.

It's probably somewhere between 12months-never depending on how the market shakes out. Maybe 2 years is a good idea ... really, if power is cheap/free and the machine is on and idle then it's free money - that's the way to look at it.

Re: All You Need Is 4x 4090 GPUs to Train Your Own Model

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How soon could I break even on renting my GPUs out?

is your electricity free? Some of these cards probably cost about $0.10/hr to run ... depending on your card/electricity rate etc. It's probably somewhere between 12months-never depending on how the market shakes out. Maybe 2 years is a good idea ... really, if power is cheap/free and the machine is on and idle then it's free money - that's the way to look at it.

My electricity is not free, I would be satisfied with partially subsidizing these units too though
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