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Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

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Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

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The DMCA has absolutely ruined a decade+ long hobby of mine, which was streaming/content creation. I used to have really fun streams not that long ago that featured a variety of relaxing/cool music set to the backdrop of me messing around on the computer, or in some game. Everyone was fine with this arrangement for a long time. Then, things suddenly changed a few years ago. First your VODs would get yanked and you'd…

My guess as to why it's necessary to nuke all potentially copyright audio is that the platform is liable for infringement, and as a result they have a policy to shoot first and ask questions later. This is justified because in overwhelming majority of cases the streamer does not have a license for the audio.

In the case that the copyright audio is coming from a game, there is no way currently for the platform to automatically verify that you have a license or not, so once again they shoot first, ask question later.

This is unfortunate, but as usual, bad actors ruin the commons for everyone.

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#62

I had no idea spoofing email sender was so easy. Does anyone know of a good way to defend against this? I've always taken it for granted that if the sender was a domain that I trusted that I could trust the email itself.

DKIM and SPF are supposed to prevent email sender spoofing, but that requires the domain owner to set it up correctly age the receiver to verify the records and actually distrust or discard the email if they don't match.

Both steps aren't trivial, and configuration errors are more common than actual spoofing. DMARC is supposed to fix everything, but only if the domain owner cares enough to do more than the bare minimum setup

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a lawyer but isn’t it your rights to protect your copyright? As in, if you file fraudulent notices, YT removes you ability to file more, then you have a legitimate notice to file, now you presumably can sue YT for denying you the right to defend your copyright.

Tough shit, you shouldn’t have sent the three fraudulent ones then. It’s all in the terms of service you have agreed to.

Youtube would probably be violating dmca safe harbor if they required claimants to agree to their terms of service.

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#64

The DMCA has absolutely ruined a decade+ long hobby of mine, which was streaming/content creation. I used to have really fun streams not that long ago that featured a variety of relaxing/cool music set to the backdrop of me messing around on the computer, or in some game. Everyone was fine with this arrangement for a long time. Then, things suddenly changed a few years ago. First your VODs would get yanked and you'd…

My guess as to why it's necessary to nuke all potentially copyright audio is that the platform is liable for infringement, and as a result they have a policy to shoot first and ask questions later. This is justified because in overwhelming majority of cases the streamer does not have a license for the audio. In the case that the copyright audio is coming from a game, there is no way currently for the platform to auto…

> This is justified because in overwhelming majority of cases the streamer does not have a license for the audio

I guess my point is that this arrangement was fine for a very, very long time. Why is it suddenly not fine in the last handful of years? Who is standing to gain here? In my view, it hurts the very platforms and industries this is trying to "protect." Twitch/YT/etc. are harmed because the content will be inherently worse, and copyright audio IP is hurt because it will spread to fewer listeners. Not only this, but if it were available to me, I actually would pay to license the audio I use, but there is no mechanism to do that!

A similar dumb thing happened a few years ago with the PGA tour - they decided that anyone re-posting PGA clips without their permission, even if it was for commentary/parody/etc., was all of a sudden not permissible. So, all the golf content on IG/TikTok/etc got catastrophically worse overnight, and PGA (which struggles with viewership, especially young viewers) gets less free exposure. There's absolutely no way this was a positive outcome for anyone involved, so why?

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

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Big tech has such a twisted incentive structure for devs that I don't see this getting solved unless it impacts YouTube's bottom line. Execs won't care, and ICs will be actively penalized for fixing this vs working on "business priorities."

God I wish there was a decent competitor to YouTube. They get away with so much horseshit because there's just nobody else that can match their service scale and network effects.

Why is that? Video streaming isn't the behemoth it was last decade.

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#66

The DMCA has absolutely ruined a decade+ long hobby of mine, which was streaming/content creation. I used to have really fun streams not that long ago that featured a variety of relaxing/cool music set to the backdrop of me messing around on the computer, or in some game. Everyone was fine with this arrangement for a long time. Then, things suddenly changed a few years ago. First your VODs would get yanked and you'd…

As things stand, there's a difference between purchasing for personal consumption, and for publishing. That's been standing, for a very long time. It might be as old as copyright itself.

Just because you own the game, doesn't mean you have the rights to use it in more than a personal setting. That's basically always been the case. You bought a personal license, not a broadcasting one.

The main reason for not attacking such things in the past was that it was a wasted effort at control. Too small a target, requiring too much effort. Automation, through things like audio recognition, changes that.

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#67
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Youtube already has that system. I had to go through the process due to a similar situation with someone falsely content ID'ing my video. In that case it was someone uploading music they didn't own to some online music distribution service. Basically the way it works is after you dispute the content ID claim and whoever filed it still says the content is theirs, you can escalate the dispute to an actual DMCA countern…

Yet YouTube's system takes a lot of time from the time the content is claimed to the time you can escalate to an actual DMCA. In this time your video is down or has its revenue redirected. And if your content gets too many frivolous claims your account is taken down by YouTube's three strike policy before you have finished the dispute process for the first video. A single button to immediately and without human revie…

Your idea for a "single button to immediately restore the video" system would violate the takedown process outlined in the DMCA. The way it works is that after someone sends a takedown request, the content can't be restored until 10 business days after the person who uploaded it sends a counter-notice. This gives whoever sent the takedown request enough time to decide whether they want to file a lawsuit and keep the content down.

Agreed that Youtube's system has problems with how long it gives claimants to respond to the initial content ID dispute and with people spamming false claims. It's definitely not a perfect system.

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#68
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The system is broken and I can't see a way to fix it. Maybe pay to send a takedown notice?

No, just enforce the DMCA. Youtube has setup this fake DMCA system where they are acting like they enforcing DMCA but not actually. DMCA has protection for creators. You can say "Copyright holder is wrong, put my content back up and I'll see them in court." and "They did this maliciously, I'll see them in court." However, YouTube fake DMCA system is using the provision of "We don't have to host any content we don't w…

Is YouTube playing a bit loose with the DMCA's requirements here?

* YouTube has no liability for incorrect take-downs (17 USC § 512 (g) (1))

* That limitation on liability only exists if they restore access to the disabled material within 10-14 business days of receipt of a counter-notice (17 USC § 512 (g) (2) (C))

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512

YouTube doesn't have to host any content they don't want to. However, it seems likely that a court would say "that doesn't absolve you of complying with the counter notice provisions of the DMCA. You can't just say that you don't want to host any content that goes through a counter notice." There are always limitations on the whole "we don't have to host things we don't want to." I doubt a court would let them use that as an excuse to ignore an explicit mandate of the DMCA, but IANAL.

I think the problem is more likely that creators don't want to sue YouTube or have the resources to go up against Google.

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#69

I worry about let's plays (especially let's plays without commentary). They pretty clearly exist in a "yes, this is copyright infringement but yes, they are generally considered positive for a game" space. The moment some game creator decides to test this will get very interesting. Not good interesting.

Already happened a few times. Japanese streamers have to ask for explicit permission to stream games so they play a lot of western games that allow it, Nintendo didn't allow let's plays for a while, and a game developer didn't like a popular youtuber (pewdiepie I think) and did takedowns of said youtuber playing their game.

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#70
I have a forum that receives a high number of DMCA claims. They link to pages on my forum where they claim I'm violating their copyright. However, when I review the pages, the content only mentions the name of a product or service. Imagine I write something here, like how I watched the movie "Inception" last week. A third party then sends me a DMCA request on behalf of Warner Bros, and Google removes this page from their search results. That's what I get, but thousands of them.

It's fairly clear no human is reviewing the content any step of the way, otherwise they would see the only content on the page is a paragraph of plain text with the name of a movie. I feel like I have no recourse though. I don't have the time to make thousands of counter claims for some random forum pages that receive an insignificant amount of search traffic a year.

It feels like a broken system. How can someone pull thousands of my pages from Google, and I'm either forced to spend weeks of my time trying to recover them, or I need to leave them removed? Where is the penalty or punishment for the false claims? Who is going to compensate me for my time?

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