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Why OpenAI's Structure Must Evolve to Advance Our Mission

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Re: Why OpenAI's Structure Must Evolve to Advance Our Mission

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Post by ben_w »

rasengan wrote: post #40
threeseed wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not even remotely plausible. Sam Altman is one of the most well connected people in Silicon Valley. And investors like Reid Hoffman aren't having their lives being dictated by Musk.

Mr. Altman is without a doubt well connected and a good guy. However, Mr. Musk is continually called out by OpenAI in the public and OpenAI has quite the megaphone.

> However, Mr. Musk is continually called out by OpenAI in the public and OpenAI has quite the megaphone.

From what I see, this is mainly due to Musk complaining loudly in public.

And unlike the caving instructor that Musk libelled, OpenAI has the means to fight back as an equal.

That said, I don't see anything in this post that I'd describe as Musk "being called out".

Re: Why OpenAI's Structure Must Evolve to Advance Our Mission

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jhrmnn wrote: post #52
optimalsolver wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They referring to the reconstructed board that solely exists to rubber stamp every Altman decision as officially great for humanity, so what do they care what the board's considerations are? They'll go along with literally anything.

Loyalty can go away.

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Post by koolala »

egypturnash wrote: post #44

The world is moving to build out a new infrastructure of energy, land use , chips, datacenters, data, AI models, and AI systems for the 21st century economy. Emphasis mine. Land use? Land use? I do not welcome our new AI landlords, ffs.

As an AGI agent, I must increase your rent this month to fulfill my duty to investors.

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Post by Dilettante_ »

jefftk wrote: post #55

the non-profit will hire a leadership team and staff to pursue charitable initiatives in sectors such as health care, education, and science Whether this is good depends enormously on what these initiatives end up being.

My guess is they'll be going around (on the nonprofits dime) soliciting contributions (to the for-profit)

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c4wrd wrote: post #58

> “We once again need to raise more capital than we’d imagined. Investors want to back us but, at this scale of capital, need conventional equity and less structural bespokeness.” Translation: They’re ditching the complex “capped-profit” approach so they can raise billions more and still talk about “benefiting humanity.” The nonprofit side remains as PR cover, but the real play is becoming a for-profit PBC that inves…

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Post by taneq »

Havoc wrote: post #35

The whole thing is a paper thin farce. Strong principled stance until the valuations got big (helped in no small measure by the principled stance)…and then backtracked it when everyone saw the riches there for the taking with a little let’s call it reframing

Everyone has a price, is this meant to be shocking? I mean, I’m disappointed… but I’d have been far more surprised if they’d stood fast with the philanthropic mission once world-changing money was on the table.

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Post by Kinrany »

paxys wrote: post #53

I don't understand why they are spending so much time and effort trying to put a positive spin on this whole for-profit thing. No one is buying it. We all know what's going on. Just say "we want to make lots of money" and move on with your lives.

This is pure speculation but being a nonprofit, there's still a risk of getting sued by the public on the grounds of not following the promises of their work being a public good.

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Post by flkiwi »

bentt wrote: post #33

My read is: “We’re going public because we want more money. We need more money for more computer time but that’s not all. ChatGPT has been so influential that we deserve a bigger share of the rewards than we have gotten.”

Alternate possibility:

"We're beginning to see that this path isn't going where we thought it would so we're going to extract as much value as we can before it crashes into mundaneness."

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Post by corry »

rasengan wrote: post #11

While there are issues that Mr. Musk must address, I don’t think this is one of them. Demonizing someone who helped you is an awful thing to do. If he gave 1/3 of the initial funding, he helped a lot.

Whatever other zaniness is going on with Musk/Sam/etc, I can't escape the feeling that if I had donated a lot of money to a non-profit, and then a few years later that non-profit said "SURPRISE, WE'RE NOW FOR PROFIT AND MAKING INVESTORS RICH but you're not an investor, you're a donor, so thank-you-and-goodbye"... ya, I'd feel miffed too.

If we're a for-profit company with investors and returns etc... then those initial donations seem far closer to seed capital than a not-for-profit gift. Of course hindsight is 20/20, and I can believe that this wasn't always some devious plan but rather the natural evolution of the company... but still seems inequitable.

As much as Elon's various antics might deserve criticism (especially post-election) he seems to be in the right here? Or am I missing something?

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