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38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by HeckFeck »

sourcepluck wrote: post #21
Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

I think it's great. I've good passable German, not enough to really follow the details of a fast-paced, complicated talk, so I'm practically shut off from German media (at this level, anyway). But still, diversity is good, and the American-Anglification of all things cultural and linguistical is not necessarily a net positive. As in, I'm aware there's good points to it, but it's not an entirely clear picture, and som…

Some thoughts are too complex for English. Three genders means they are always one step ahead of the French. Shunning Latin root words means you can be more efficient.

German persists for good reasons.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by Ladsko »

cbmuser wrote: post #44
jeffreygoesto wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it is a valid position to ask where the money for "get rich" comes from and if society would be different if it wasn't all about that money trickling upwards? Have you been to schools or nursing homes lately, having to let dear relatives go there?

Have been to any actual socialist country? Have experienced what scarcity means and what it feels like to be locked into your own country without a real chance of leaving until you reach retirement age?

The point is to meet somewhere in the middle and find compromises that prohibit uncontrolled growth of wealth and power by single individuals without crippling the economy too much. It does not have to be one extreme or the other.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by rsynnott »

Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

> Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German?

There’s generally live translation (into English, German, and sometimes French). The translations are also available for download (eg https://media.ccc.de/c/37c3/).

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by rsynnott »

cbmuser wrote: post #44
jeffreygoesto wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it is a valid position to ask where the money for "get rich" comes from and if society would be different if it wasn't all about that money trickling upwards? Have you been to schools or nursing homes lately, having to let dear relatives go there?

Have been to any actual socialist country? Have experienced what scarcity means and what it feels like to be locked into your own country without a real chance of leaving until you reach retirement age?

There is a significant middle-ground between Libertarian Utopia/Dystopia (delete as appropriate) and North Korea, you realise?

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by cjs_ac »

miki123211 wrote: post #60
Scarblac wrote: post #17

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On the one hand, communication is easiest if everybody uses the same language. On the other, the dominance of English is one thing that gives US too much cultural power. I think I'm happy that there is still content in other languages out there.

> On the other, the dominance of English is one thing that gives US too much cultural power. I think you got the causation wrong; the dominance of English is due to the US having cultural power, not the other way around. If this were true, you'd see Ireland, Canada and Australia also having significant cultural power, and this just isn't the case.

I think the dominance of English comes from the United Kingdom's significant cultural power in the nineteenth century (cf. French's status as the language of diplomacy deriving from France's cultural power in the eighteenth century). The US is just riding on Britain's (England's, really) cultural coattails.

(The US's economic dominance is, at present, unrivalled, however.)

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by CrLf »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #57
ahartmetz wrote: post #53

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I have yet to see someone advocating for actual socialism. There is a huge difference between social democracy and socialism, but it's a popular argumentation technique in the US to pretend that they are the same.

There are socialist parties in every European countries, and some of them get a lot of votes. In Germany, Die Linke is anti-capitalist and advocates "actual socialism" and current has 39 MPs in the Bundestag. In France, LFI (France Unbowed) is anti-capitalist and advocates "actual socialism" and currently has 71 MPs in the French parliament (second largest party by number of MPs...). There are also several smaller pa…

Perhaps it's important to point out that socialism != communism.

I think this is something the US really doesn't understand about Europe.

Socialism is about putting people first and making sure no one is left behind by society, which is the opposite of communism (and capitalism).

In fact, US capitalism is much closer to communism regarding societal outcomes (social injustice, power concentration) than European socialism. It is very much possible to be anti-capitalist and anti-communist at the same time .

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by imiric »

ralfd wrote: post #25
dtquad wrote: post #10

38 years of advocacy for more degrowth and regulations in Europe.

Your snark is a bit unfair. But I also noted how far-left and anti-capitalistic many talks/speaker are. I guess it shows the power differential between US vs Europe/Germany and also the difference between disrupting American and risk-averse European culture? Super smart people in the Bay Area found startups to get rich (and invent the future). Super smart people in Germany can only go into academia and research how t…

> I also noted how far-left and anti-capitalistic many talks/speaker are.

Why is this suprising? The hacker culture is rooted in anti-establishment philosophy, spun off from the hippy movement of the 1960s. This is not a regional thing.

It's more than a bit ironic that this site is called "hacker news", yet is hosted by a company that holds opposite ideals. :) The term "hacker" has largely lost its original meaning, most notably from being vilified by mainstream media.

Hack the planet! \m/

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by mytailorisrich »

CrLf wrote: post #67
mytailorisrich wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are socialist parties in every European countries, and some of them get a lot of votes. In Germany, Die Linke is anti-capitalist and advocates "actual socialism" and current has 39 MPs in the Bundestag. In France, LFI (France Unbowed) is anti-capitalist and advocates "actual socialism" and currently has 71 MPs in the French parliament (second largest party by number of MPs...). There are also several smaller pa…

Perhaps it's important to point out that socialism != communism. I think this is something the US really doesn't understand about Europe. Socialism is about putting people first and making sure no one is left behind by society, which is the opposite of communism (and capitalism). In fact, US capitalism is much closer to communism regarding societal outcomes (social injustice, power concentration) than European social…

> Socialism is about putting people first and making sure no one is left behind by society

No, that's not what socialism is but I won't develop here because the definition is so available and well-known.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by namibj »

wkat4242 wrote: post #51
jazzyjackson wrote: post #23

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It's really a pretty strong web of trust system, if you know anyone who's volunteered previous years there are vouchers floating around by word of mouth. If you don't know anyone in the community, purchasing a ticket online is a crapshoot. IMO this is a feature not a bug.

For me the price of accommodation is pretty prohibitive. It's one of the most expensive times of the year and Germany is also one of the most expensive countries in Europe. I've looked at it once but the hotels were too expensive for me (I think it was in Hamburg then). But it's ok, I can watch it online. I don't like travelling during this busy period anyway.

There is affordable accomodation: nearby gymnasiums where you bring a "bed" and "duvet" and "towel+shampoo" and get by with like 5 bucks a night.
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