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The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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post #35

I wonder if sea cables could be designed with some mechanism that could stand being dragged and even crossed somewhere but returning later to its position automatically with a click. Something like a giant karabiner.

I'm sure it could, but whether it's cheaper than the existing cable and repairs is probably the question mark

The main expenses aren't so much the value of the cable as the disruption in communication and intelligence that could be sensible. Arranging the cable like a V ending in a karabiner in the angle could catch the anchors on a big area and redirect it toward the point of breaking and release anchor at the angle. If the ship would take a long detour from the shortest path to attack the cable in a different area, that would coast then gas money, so a possible boycott is not free anymore making the process less desirable.

That also would eliminate the plausible deniability of the ship that moved out of its main route, and could reduce the cut of communications to hours or minutes (instead days or weeks).

Just speculating

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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post #25

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If you've never visited the Stockholm archipelago, I highly recommend it. In fact, I think it's perhaps the best thing about Stockholm, and one of the most beautiful places in the world in general — if you're into sailing, islands and seas. It's almost too easy to find an island just for yourself for the weekend, and "Allemansrätten", the law that grants people the right to access wilderness, only makes it even more…

Also, the superb torpedo museum!

A torpedo museum? Where is that?

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

#63
post #53

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be aware that the term 'terrorist' can be applied today to somebody that one day can win the Nobel prize for peace, and then become bad again. It is a label

Sure, but it is an appropriate label for Russia today.

Destroying infrastructure isn't automatically terrorism. If Russia bombed people (or e.g. caved in a building where civilians could be expected to inhabit and thereby die in the collapse) then it would be terrorism. Cable bombing isn't terrorism, it's just sparkling warfare.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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It's called Falu red [1], btw. Made from mining residual products and originally liked because it resembled luxurious brick. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falu_red

There's also an underlying theme of a resurgent clash of civilizations from yesteryears? https://www.declad.com/falu-red-and-the-rise-and-fall-of-an-... > During this time the Swedish Krona even moved from the gold to the copper standard. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/why-are-all-swedish-co...

Ukrainian( ultranat)s adopting 801818 for their flag might constitute a FF0000 line that must not be crossed?

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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post #53

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Sure, but it is an appropriate label for Russia today.

Destroying infrastructure isn't automatically terrorism. If Russia bombed people (or e.g. caved in a building where civilians could be expected to inhabit and thereby die in the collapse) then it would be terrorism. Cable bombing isn't terrorism, it's just sparkling warfare.

Russia also bombs people though.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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post #32

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In sweden if you dig a canal around some land, they call the result an island.

Does the canal make a fjord if one forgets to finish it?

That's norway. Sweden is just mud lakes and trees

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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post #65

“security through obscurity” and then go on a publish it in a news paper? Can someone provide some context here because I dont understand what is going on here.

It's only baffling if you believe press is controlled and not writing what they want.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Probably a stupid question, but why don't we encase the (undersea) cable in some metal container or something so that it would not be so easy to break? Is it due to economics? Is the constant fixing in the end cheaper than making it hard to break, or perhaps it needs maintenance anyway often enough to make it a hassle?

It would cost so much material. I think it would be more economical to just bury it. With an automated robot of course. It would also make it a hell of a lot harder for an attacker to locate the cable. But I don't know if these already exist.

The undersea terrain in many areas can be quite varied and rocky. In others, endless mud.

It’s not the easiest terrain to bury anything in.

And it’s always hard to access or even see reliably.

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