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Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by Olreich »

cageface wrote: post #15
siodine wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Go and Haskell support is better in ST2 than in IntelliJ. For Python and Ruby, it depends. IntelliJ is unquestionably better for Java, though. Also, consider that ST2 is in its infancy and how developed its language support already is (see SublimeClang, for example). As ST2 becomes more popular, it might compete with the most developed IDEs.

And it will also become slow and bloated and people will move on to the next fast, lean editor that only needs feature x & y. Wash & repeat ad infinitum.

Vim and Emacs kill that argument. Neither is slow, and both are older than dirt in computer years. Sublime Text may continue the march without becoming super slow as well. I'm sure a Java-focused IDE could be fast and excellent, but that's not their focus.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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BadassFractal wrote: post #58
alttab wrote: post #55

Does anyone else feel like if we spent all the time masterbating about our text editor writing software instead in something that just works the world would have better software? The amount of text editor posts I see on HN lately is astonishing. The less emphasis we put on tools the more we can rely on skill. We should all just use notepad for a year and see what all that extra time produces.

You learn vim / emacs very well once, you use them for the rest of your life. It's time well invested.

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Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by alttab »

BadassFractal wrote: post #58
alttab wrote: post #55

Does anyone else feel like if we spent all the time masterbating about our text editor writing software instead in something that just works the world would have better software? The amount of text editor posts I see on HN lately is astonishing. The less emphasis we put on tools the more we can rely on skill. We should all just use notepad for a year and see what all that extra time produces.

You learn vim / emacs very well once, you use them for the rest of your life. It's time well invested.

I use vim. That's kinda my point when it comes to see fancy GUI editors. Even with vim, here are the only commands I use regularly: n, b, dw, dd, u, w, :/, home, end, and :wq.

Coupled with Grep -r, I literally use nothing else. My productivity is not bound by how fast I can use vim, but how much effort it takes me to understand the real problem I'm trying to solve.

If everyone else worries about how they can jump around code more than actually decomposing the true motivation behind their work, they are either unbounded geniuses, or far more likely, writing a lot of code that could be completely avoided. All of these bells and whistles distracts from the problem, and focuses on code instead of problem solving. This worries me. Especially when at the end of the day all we are talking about is how fast we can introduce bugs into the code base or writing code that doesn't help the customer directly.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by hemancuso »

FuzzyDunlop wrote: post #52
hemancuso wrote: post #36

The most consistent pushback against ST2 is how ugly and non-native folk find it. Lots of us get past that and really give it a chance, but I can't help but hope that Jon reads this and considers spending a couple weeks/months purely on styling, possibly with the help of a specialist. It doesn't improve the editor's functionality, but sales and adoption wise I think it would go a long way. Especially on the Mac. Spec…

Totally disagree on the config point. In fact I think the system should be made more simple, so you can keep your editor settings in a dotfile repo. It's not so simple to do this when the settings files themselves are buried in a packages folder, and you have to take care not to accidentally commit your license along with it all. Hell, even just having the option to parse settings and load plugins from a local dotfil…

Agree with you. Just mean I'd like UI to wrap what is there.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by pooriaazimi »

cageface wrote: post #2

I read feature lists of editors like this and wonder why people just don't use a good IDE like IntelliJ. It does everything in this list and a lot more with minimal configuration.

Sublime is wicked fast. IntelliJ, Eclipse and NetBeans are all incredibly slow and bloated.

Also, it has a modern architecture with useful, up-to-date plugins, not plugins written in 2004.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by lstrope »

ST2 is a great text editor (I like vim more) - and a text editor is what it should be compared to.

Intellij/RubyMine are slow to start (initially) because they are indexing and giving you some of the most powerful refactoring support you could ask for. I sincerely doubt ST2 could will ever match this functionality.

They can be bloated but so can Emacs with all its plugins and so can ST2 by the time it starts to resemble an IDE in features.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by andrewbinstock »

jared314 wrote: post #3
cageface wrote: post #2

I read feature lists of editors like this and wonder why people just don't use a good IDE like IntelliJ. It does everything in this list and a lot more with minimal configuration.

It is hard to pin down the author's bias, or yours, without understanding what kind of development the author has done. I look at this as more of a Text Mate 2 vs Sublime Text 2 post.

Thanks for explaining this, b/c editors I use (albeit inside IDEs) all do what the OP is drooling about. I figured he had to be comparing Sub 2 with some other editor that he doesn't specify.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by RubberMullet »

flixic wrote: post #18

It's quite funny that he complains about the icon (quite bad, I agree) that was made by the Iconfactory, and then links to a replacement, again, by the Iconfactory. Makes me wonder, why SL2 icon is so bad. Maybe the author had some unreasonable requests to the obviously talented designers?

I use this one http://dribbble.com/shots/357612-Sublime-Text-2-Replacement-...

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by uncr3ative »

jph wrote: post #13

I tried Sublime and it works well, but RubyMine still won me over for Ruby because it finally feels polished and it's fast thanks to new hardware with plenty of RAM & CPU. For text editing, Sublime just couldn't match vim & emacs because they're widely available on remote servers via SSH.

or use the sftp package from package control
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