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Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by Eumenes »

amelius wrote: post #19
Eumenes wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm all for making travel more expensive. Mostly to remove the trashy and rude people from the equation. I don't care about C02 but I do enjoy seeing megalomaniacs like John Kerry and Taylor Swift lecture us plebs on climate/social justice, but fly private jets everywhere.

More expensive isn't fair because travel would become a rich person's hobby. A better approach would be rationing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing

Its already a rich persons hobby. So rationing would suggest subsidizing travel domestically by the rich, for the less rich, but still globally, very well off.

> It is estimated that around 95% of the world’s population has never experienced air travel firsthand.

https://www.ncesc.com/has-only-5-of-the-worlds-population-ev...

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by the_snooze »

lgbr wrote: post #44

I get that this is about preventing ticket reselling, but I have a different question: Can someone explain the controversy around face scans for air travel? Governments have clearly laid out that flying affords zero expectation of privacy, and the airlines won't let you buy a plane ticket without knowing your name (as opposed to bus or subway tickets). If the airline knows your name, and their attendants see and veri…

If the argument is "they're already doing this, so what's the issue?" then I have to ask: if they're already doing this, then what's the value-add? Face scanning seems like quite a large complex system to deploy compared to the tried-and-true method of paper ticketing and identification. The push for this technology is suspicious to me as a Westerner because the benefits to me are unclear, while the risks (e.g., China-like ubiquitous surveillance and repression, and corporate access controls like those attorneys who were barred from a Madison Square Garden show) are a little more established.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by acdha »

fipar wrote: post #48
aziaziazi wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t think a lot of us in poor countries care to stop producing CO2 I’m not sure about the situation everywhere but China gouvernement seems to care more than most other countries, rich or not. They flew a commercial plane with SAF in September. I personally think SAF is a terrible idea but give them credits for willingness.

You are correct in part but I think not in whole, since I said "a lot of us" and I'm pretty sure people in China would continue driving ICE and flying if it was up to them, the changes are just imposed top-down. I'm glad when an authoritarian regime does something that ends up being good but 1) I still dislike the regime, and 2) I don't think that's something you can rely on. Plus I'm pretty sure (just like everyone…

> Plus I'm pretty sure (just like everyone else) they're doing this not to avoid climate change but because they have a huge opportunity coming out ahead as providers of cleaner means of transportation

I detest the authoritarian government but in this case it’s hard to feel bad if it actually works. Our strategy of letting hordes of MBAs optimize for the quarterly report is racking up future costs and unfortunately I don’t think we have the luxury of being picky about who’s going in the right direction here.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by 1oooqooq »

everyone today is rolling out face scans as authentication hacks.

third world banks have palm readers on ATMs for two decades now. amz is trying this on whole foods checkout

most government apps use face scan now, because google and apple limited access to fingerprints on the OS.

they will relearn all lesson learned by govts using numbers at random for people for benefits auth (like ssn) by using biometrics, which is the same thing.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by aziaziazi »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #27
Eumenes wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm all for making travel more expensive. Mostly to remove the trashy and rude people from the equation. I don't care about C02 but I do enjoy seeing megalomaniacs like John Kerry and Taylor Swift lecture us plebs on climate/social justice, but fly private jets everywhere.

It got a magnitude more expensive since covid. Private jets are the problem, not Kate from the UK flying to Tenerife once a year via ryan air.

A magnitude is very exaggerated. Also consider Covid won’t change the obvious trend since the 50’s: https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/32068/average-price-of-ai...

Regarding jets vs mass transport, I think it is misleading to oppose them. Remove all the jets on the planet and we’ll have exactly the same sustainability trouble.

My old dad points the fault of rich people taking jets to go everywhere, and also the fault of "billion of Chineses starting to take more and more flight". His bi-monthly usage of plane for Holliday isn't worth considering through because he "has no choice, people have right to takes Holliday and we-the-world-middle-class are not the problem"

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by 1oooqooq »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #36

We overlook the moment when airlines started requiring a smartphone to book, check in, and fly. It's been downhill from there.

lol. people pay $100 for the benefit of signing away all and every privacy just so they keep their shoes. not a single people who signed up for this things realize for much privacy rights they signed away to the government.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by 77pt77 »

rwmj wrote: post #24
77pt77 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an airplane ticket. Not a house selling contract!

The idea is to abide by the letter of the law, while making it far too inconvenient for anyone to actually do it. A bit like Apple and their iPhone battery replacement kits.

What about the apple battery kits?

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by zo1 »

chachacharge wrote: post #30

To RA: scan my ass

"Biometric identifications using the fingerprint and the anal creases (the distinctive features of anoderm, or analprint)"

As far as I know, one can use the sphincter's unique pattern to identify people to some degree. Exactly the same way we can do so with iris patterns, fingerprints and even ear patterns.

So be careful what you wish for!

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Biometric-identification...

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by aziaziazi »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #39
amelius wrote: post #4

This is a good thing. Let them put those facial scans on a wall of shame. Generating CO2 should be as awkward and uncomfortable as possible. I'm waiting for airlines to remove all passenger seats.

> Generating CO2 should be as awkward and uncomfortable as possible. Since essentially every activity generates CO2, what you are essentially saying is that life should be made as awkward and uncomfortable as possible. And this certainly feels like the approach many eco-activists are taking, triggering well-deserved backlash. The Green party in Germany, for example, does extremely sensible politics in most areas, but…

I 100% agree with your second point.

> life should be made as awkward and uncomfortable as possible.

I have a hard time seeing good faith here but let say you really didn’t got it:

What he is saying is that CO2-problematic activities should be made more awkward and unconfortable than those that don’t. A cousin view would be to make substainable options easier and cheaper that others. You know like various incentives measures used everywhere in the economy to serve other goals we set earlier, like keep some domestic agriculture or tax more the cigarettes.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by xinayder »

lgbr wrote: post #44

I get that this is about preventing ticket reselling, but I have a different question: Can someone explain the controversy around face scans for air travel? Governments have clearly laid out that flying affords zero expectation of privacy, and the airlines won't let you buy a plane ticket without knowing your name (as opposed to bus or subway tickets). If the airline knows your name, and their attendants see and veri…

> If the airline knows your name, and their attendants see and verify your face when boarding anyway, then are we losing anything through the use of face scans?

I've recently flown with FinnAir and they never asked for my ID. All times I went with them. I just scan my boarding pass and done. The only day they asked me for my name is when I was the last person to board the plane because I was late for my flight.

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