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Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by kuschku »

rmccue wrote: post #6

> I have money and I have a URL, how do I send money to the publisher of that URL? This question could easily be “I have money and I have a person’s name and address, how do I send money to them?” The only way to do this consistently would be to mail them physical cash, since there’s no way to consistently send money electronically across the world (and you’d have a currency conversion problem too - if someone mailed…

> since there’s no way to consistently send money electronically across the world

In theory there'd be SWIFT, but that's too slow and expensive.

The EU has the SEPA, but few other countries actually care about joining or replicating that success.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by [deleted] »

elashri wrote: post #5
johannes1234321 wrote: post #3

Some people don't want to be paid. They do things as a hobby and for fun. As soon as one is being paid there is a ned to publish more and good quality stuff, which turns a fun project into work.

That is sad reality. As an example, I wish Sabine Hossenfelder didn't have to leave academia. Her content (blog posts not videos) were one of the ways I kept up with development in theoretical physics. But now that she is a full time video content creator, she is under pressure to publish click bait and very questionable content. I understand that she is catering to the audience but this is one example why alignment…

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Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by FinnKuhn »

kuschku wrote: post #61
rmccue wrote: post #6

> I have money and I have a URL, how do I send money to the publisher of that URL? This question could easily be “I have money and I have a person’s name and address, how do I send money to them?” The only way to do this consistently would be to mail them physical cash, since there’s no way to consistently send money electronically across the world (and you’d have a currency conversion problem too - if someone mailed…

> since there’s no way to consistently send money electronically across the world In theory there'd be SWIFT, but that's too slow and expensive. The EU has the SEPA, but few other countries actually care about joining or replicating that success.

The EU is also working on a digital Euro [1] that is supposed to roll out to the whole EU and support digital payments without any fees. Let's see, if they succeed with that, but if they do it would be great.

[1] https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/digital_euro/html/index.en.ht...

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by hugs »

grues-dinner wrote: post #33

This is the one thing that I actually thought cryptocurrency would help - getting small adhoc payments out from under the bootheel of Mastercard and Visa, and especially for international transfers that cross between, say, the MC/Visa duopoly regions into other ones like the Asian ecosystems. But instead it's slow, inconsistent, inconvenient, balkanised, dripping with scams, criminals and bad actors and still involve…

I think this is a good application for the Lightning Network, specifically if people use a Lightning Address where the address uses the same domain as the URL of the webpage. There are a lot of people in Lightning world who also hate scams (and any other crypto coin for that matter) and just want to make this work as money (and already have).

A real-world example where Lightning Network is already working is Nostr. It's not hard to get a Nostr client with built-in Lightning functionality (like Primal) and start "zapping" tiny payments to others.

I'm not affiliated with Primal, just a fan, and a developer who wants to see a system like this work.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by m01 »

rmccue wrote: post #6

> I have money and I have a URL, how do I send money to the publisher of that URL? This question could easily be “I have money and I have a person’s name and address, how do I send money to them?” The only way to do this consistently would be to mail them physical cash, since there’s no way to consistently send money electronically across the world (and you’d have a currency conversion problem too - if someone mailed…

> “I have money and I have a person’s name and address, how do I send money to them?”

Send a cheque?

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by Martinussen »

m01 wrote: post #65
rmccue wrote: post #6

> I have money and I have a URL, how do I send money to the publisher of that URL? This question could easily be “I have money and I have a person’s name and address, how do I send money to them?” The only way to do this consistently would be to mail them physical cash, since there’s no way to consistently send money electronically across the world (and you’d have a currency conversion problem too - if someone mailed…

> “I have money and I have a person’s name and address, how do I send money to them?” Send a cheque?

I don't know about other places, but here there's no bank that will turn that slip of paper into real money. I've never even seen a cheque or chequebook in person, it's almost exclusively mentioned by Americans (In my experience)

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by EricRiese »

quaintdev wrote: post #14

Browsers should have pay/tip button to support website owners. And browser vendors should handle the payment. This would limit ads and tracking as well which aligns with Mozilla goals. Can I pitch this idea to Mozilla somewhere?

You're describing Brave

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by atoav »

grues-dinner wrote: post #33

This is the one thing that I actually thought cryptocurrency would help - getting small adhoc payments out from under the bootheel of Mastercard and Visa, and especially for international transfers that cross between, say, the MC/Visa duopoly regions into other ones like the Asian ecosystems. But instead it's slow, inconsistent, inconvenient, balkanised, dripping with scams, criminals and bad actors and still involve…

I am not sure if people are aware, but with SEPA you can transfer money to other peoples account without any fee (depending on where you live of course).

Only downside is that you have to reveal your account data online.

I know a guy who runs an online shop with a single product and it is a static website saying "Transfer 12 € to the following bank account with the following subject and your name/address" — apparently this works quite well since the mid 90s. The website still uses frames for its layout and has animated gif flags.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by etskinner »

rhplus wrote: post #41

We’re three decades in with the web and it’s pretty clear that voluntary payment nudges don’t work. Most people won’t pay for free content after they’ve consumed it. Humans need an extra incentive to pay for free content. This is why so many sponsorship platforms are effectively subscription models with additional exclusive content or early access. And for that to work, you need more than just a payment button, you n…

I think you're missing a small yet significant portion of people who will pay for content after consuming it. Off the top of my head I've "tipped" after the fact for: An awesome free work time recording app, "free" walking tours when I'm traveling, free online chess, Wikipedia — all after using them.
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