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Motivating Personal Growth by Seeking Discomfort (2022)

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Re: Motivating Personal Growth by Seeking Discomfort (2022)

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Post by bzmrgonz »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #54
bzmrgonz wrote: post #12

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I think it's the science behind the windhoff cold plunges. Also the belief that societies in extreme environmemts(deserts or alaska) thrive better due to prep or die conditioons which make them less averse to physical work.

Amazed to see everyone talking about Huberman and Wim Hof here. Two conmen of the highest degree. I just beg of you to look at some criticisms of them on youtube and save your money and time.

I still think there is value in putting oneself thru adversity and discomfort, if for nothing else, to gain empathy for those who can't afford the comfort-lifestyle of those with means to build comfort. Not to mention raising one's threshold for discomfort. Our Biology itself is engineered for adaptation, one could argue that living in comfort is like the frog in the pot of water on the stove. this might be hard for first worlders to understand, but take a poor person in a third world vs. a middle class person in a third world. A poor person is limited to a bicycle means of transportation, while the middleclass person can afford a vehicle. The very nature of hauling your carcass around in a mechanical means of transportation makes your carcass much more healthy and raises the chances of longevity.

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Post by Jensson »

bawolff wrote: post #33

I feel like targetting discomfort specificly would lead to bad results. Feels like a pretty typical cause vs correlation thing. Sometimes getting out of your comfort zone is a good thing. Sometimes that feeling of discomfort is protecting you. Doing that hobby you were always to nervous too try? probably a good source of discomfort to feel. Taking sky diving lessons from the sketchy guy who is not really certified? T…

> Doing that hobby you were always to nervous too try? probably a good source of discomfort to feel.

> Taking sky diving lessons from the sketchy guy who is not really certified? That is probably the bad type of discomfort and you should listen to it.

People who already know how to tell the difference between these two doesn't need the advice though. In order to try a new hobby you need to do a lot of work to understand what is sketchy and what is not, how to not get tricked etc, so much money is made tricking wannabe hobbyists in every domain. Selling them expensive shoes and gear etc, that they wont need and barely use.

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Post by Jensson »

JackMorgan wrote: post #56
eastbound wrote: post #47

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No, he shouldn’t do it, he perfectly adapted the language to the customs imposed upon us. See, customs and rules don’t change the truth. The really hateful act is to hide the causes of violence so that we naively walk into it. That causes thousands of death per hear.

Veiled bigotry isn't brave, noble, or a search for truth.

Statistics about neighborhoods isn't bigotry, everyone talks about where its safe and where its not, not being allowed to talk about that is insanity.

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Post by lukan »

roenxi wrote: post #44
lukan wrote: post #40

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"Poor models of reality are a Hallmark of depression." Is that a fact? I recall from studies with pessimists and optimists, where they should self report some progress on learning something - and the reports of the pessimists were way more realistic, than those of the optimists. (But the latter probably enjoyed the whole thing)

Is there any particular correlation between pessimism and depression? I'm sure there would be something on the extreme edge but I don't see why there would be anything particularly powerful there in the median case. Pessimism is more of an understanding that things will go wrong (which is often just factual correctness; any vague understanding of risk makes most people sound like pessimists). Depression is more of an…

"Depression is more of an "it is hopeless" take which is not logically sound - even if life is meaningless the sensible thing to do is leave a peaceful & cheerful existence as best can be managed."

It is usually more concrete in the sense of "it is hopeless, that I get into a state of happiness again". Which might or might not be correct. So calling depression not logical .. is a potential tough thing to say.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

lukan wrote: post #40
s1artibartfast wrote: post #25

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It doesn't have to make you depressed and reality isn't always demotivating. Poor models of reality are a Hallmark of depression. I think that for many, learning more about gun violence could be a relief because their uninformed baseline is so bad

"Poor models of reality are a Hallmark of depression." Is that a fact? I recall from studies with pessimists and optimists, where they should self report some progress on learning something - and the reports of the pessimists were way more realistic, than those of the optimists. (But the latter probably enjoyed the whole thing)

Yes, that is a fact. Not just the personal opinion kind, but the kind in text books, accepted by 200k therapists in the US, and supported hundreds of research papers. .

As others posted, pessimism and depression different topics.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

JackMorgan wrote: post #42
devops99 wrote: post #38

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Come right out and say what you mean. No sense being coy, unless you know that your hypothesis actually is encouraging hate and will not be tolerated by this community.

Why dont you come out and say what you actually mean? It seems like you have a strong position you are not stating as well.

Im not afraid to read between the lines. They are saying the gun violence risk to the average person is low, and the risk is focused on certain groups. Namely the suicidal and gang members.

Suicide makes up 55% of gun deaths, and the US is literally the only country in the world that counts these as gun violence. The remainder is primarily gang violence. Shooting of non-gang affiliated people is extremely rare, and noteworthy because of this rarity.

Most discussion and statistics about gun violence intentionally obfuscates these facts. We could speculate about the motivations why, but it is largely irrelevant.

Which part of this do you think encourages hate?

Now, I happen to think that gang violence is a real problem. It does massive harm to those involved, causes massive damage to the local community, and is an economic deadweight on society.

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Post by gregwebs »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #52
gregwebs wrote: post #43

Andrew Huberman discusses how the AMC structure in the brain gets bigger when we do things we don't want to do. It is bigger in those that live longer and have great mental health- it may also represent the will to live. Its one of the main places that the brain shrinks in aging Huberman explains this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OHYynw7Yh4&t=305s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDLb8_wgX50&t=2769s If you enjoy…

Sorry, Huberman is a showman who takes real science and distorts it to trick simplistic people into buting his supplemets. There is ZERO evidence that "the AMC structure in the brain gets bigger when we do things we don't want to do" Also the AMC has many more functions than Huberman lets on. So his "one neat trick" will do nothing to change ACC volume.

I’m happy to have this idea refuted but character attacks and platitudes aren’t the best way to go about it. What Huberman says, even if it is an mis representation is based on scientific studies. There are some links in the notes here to some of the studies: https://www.hubermanlab.com/episode/how-to-increase-your-wil...
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