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London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Need a City quant PhD to invent a mathematical analog of Black-Scholes [1] for pricing and trading the irreplaceable value of culturally significant physical spaces to future generations. Then City-like [2] institutions can compete financially for ongoing preservation rights, rather than a one-time chop shop auction. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black%E2%80%93Scholes_model [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_…

"Preserving the irreplaceable value of ..." works great as a personal motivation or a mission statement, but terribly as an explicit rule. It's the same problem as carbon offsets - if there's a formula for converting intangible values into cold hard cash, people will exploit the definition of the intangibles to make money.

Which legal and financial instruments have defended the City of London itself from being auctioned for parts?

Subsets of culture are preserved, packetized & traded daily. Even StubHub has a "food festival" category.

Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Statement from the City of London Corporation which is closing them down: > Chris Hayward, policy chairman of the City of London Corporation, said the > decision represented a "positive new chapter" for the markets as it "empowers > traders to build a sustainable future in premises that align with their > long-term business goals". This is a great statement. Like firing people to free them up to find jobs that better…

Christ, yeah - I came here to post the same quote. What kind of horrific shit does one need to go through in life to become capable of uttering that kind of horseshit with a straight face?

If you knew, you’d likely never be able to leave the house. Or could never go home again.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are in the process of absolving their legal obligation to continue operating the market.

So the market moved 40ish years ago, and now it has to move again, the institution is fine?

No, if you read the article, the City of London is washing its hands of having to relocate the institution at all.

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The same thing happened to Covent Garden in the 1970s - the original site was closed, a new one was opened that over time became very evidently much better suited to being a large scale wholesale fruit and vegetable market.

Everybody and their uncle bitched and moaned about it, but I think there are few people today who would argue that London would be better off if Covent Garden was still the central produce market rather than the touristic hellhole it is today.

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Farringdon station happens to be where the Thameslink line from North to South London, intersects with the East to West Elizabeth line. As the Elizabeth Line was being finished I realised that the whole area around there is going to change hugely. Mind you if that’s the case the station would need to be rebuilt. The article discusses converting the market to a social space to make the most of the new Museum of London…

Literally living out becoming an open air museum.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a billion dollar price tag being punted around and you think the resulting development is going to be aimed at and priced to reduce a housing supply shortage? Are you by chance on the market to buy a bridge?

I know I'm supposed to say no, but...yes I do believe it. I have a proof, too long to be contained within the margins of this page, that when supply goes up, price goes down

Go for it. Econ 100 textbook bs about supply and demand are trivially dismissed by a casual examination of housing and rental prices in the US in gentrified areas. What happens when the real world intrudes on academic platitudes is rather straightforward: pricing for everything goes up and the folks who were struggling get pushed out. Nobody who couldn't afford housing in the market before the shift is served.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know I'm supposed to say no, but...yes I do believe it. I have a proof, too long to be contained within the margins of this page, that when supply goes up, price goes down

Go for it. Econ 100 textbook bs about supply and demand are trivially dismissed by a casual examination of housing and rental prices in the US in gentrified areas. What happens when the real world intrudes on academic platitudes is rather straightforward: pricing for everything goes up and the folks who were struggling get pushed out. Nobody who couldn't afford housing in the market before the shift is served.

I'm more than open to reading anything about that! Literally anything!

Most respectfully and deferentially, I don't think "more things available makes price goes down" is a platitude or textbook or academic thing!

I must confess, the fact this Fat Tony logic and not some theory invented in an academic textbook ivory-tower divorced-from-reality impoverished-intellectual safe haven is why I cannot provide a proof: the note about the margin was an attempt to inject some levity, via a reference to Fermat!

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Statement from the City of London Corporation which is closing them down: > Chris Hayward, policy chairman of the City of London Corporation, said the > decision represented a "positive new chapter" for the markets as it "empowers > traders to build a sustainable future in premises that align with their > long-term business goals". This is a great statement. Like firing people to free them up to find jobs that better…

Christ, yeah - I came here to post the same quote. What kind of horrific shit does one need to go through in life to become capable of uttering that kind of horseshit with a straight face?

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Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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> The decision to close the markets and offer traders compensation was made by the Corporation's Court of Common Council. > The Corporation will now have to file a Private Bill in Parliament as it seeks to absolve itself of the legal responsibility of running the markets. The Corporation in this case is the Corporation of the City of London, which is the local government authority for the City of London, which is onl…

> the local government authority for the City of London, which is only the part of London that is within the walls of Roman Londinium Also known as the most efficient and high volume money laundering machine ever devised by man. Do a deep dive into russian oligarch money and the City of London, from reputable journalism sources, and you won't like what you find. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/03/28/how-putin…

The City of London (aka the Square Mile) is literally a world unto itself. Even the Mayor of London is not the mayor of the City of London.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London

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Statement from the City of London Corporation which is closing them down: > Chris Hayward, policy chairman of the City of London Corporation, said the > decision represented a "positive new chapter" for the markets as it "empowers > traders to build a sustainable future in premises that align with their > long-term business goals". This is a great statement. Like firing people to free them up to find jobs that better…

Who doesn’t love corporate bullshit?

I love the journalist who puts these quotes at the end of the article. Great journalism.
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