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Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by palata »

midenginedcoupe wrote: post #26
pcb-rework wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're a fool if you believe handing over metadata like your personal phone number so you can be tracked is an improvement. That's not email and not a replacement for GPG, something that actually works properly. Session is a superior app for text replacement. I think you need to find new blogs that don't offer crap advice.

They resisted this change for years, but eventually gave in and fixed it. You no longer need to hand out your phone number. https://signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/

> They resisted this change for years, but eventually gave in and fixed it.

I believe that one big reason for that is that it was not trivial to get with the quality they wanted. I respect the fact that they "resisted" instead of just adding some bad implementation for the sake of it.

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by palata »

pcb-rework wrote: post #21
cpach wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For truly sensitive communication, it’s better to use Signal: https://soatok.blog/2024/11/15/what-to-use-instead-of-pgp/

You're a fool if you believe handing over metadata like your personal phone number so you can be tracked is an improvement. That's not email and not a replacement for GPG, something that actually works properly. Session is a superior app for text replacement. I think you need to find new blogs that don't offer crap advice.

There is no reason to tell people they are fools. Especially when you believe that email with PGP "actually works properly" w.r.t. metadata.

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by getlawgdon »

millzlane wrote: post #20
southernplaces7 wrote: post #18

It's amusing to see people here continuing to recommend Google tools for core aspects of some shiny, fragile, new startup despite so many, many posts and comments on HN having been placed time and time again describing how arbitrary that monster can be about cutting you completely down from whatever it offers you for some bullshit algorithmic reason or another, and with near zero customer service recourse. By now Goo…

Yea, my dumbass used Google voice as my main 2fa number and recently lost access to it. Can't get it back and I'm locked out of everything. Don't be like me. Google really can't be trusted for personal or business use. If I could talk to a human and pay $100 for it I would.

Please don't say that. I can absolutely see google charging for customer service.

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by Saris »

mooreds wrote: post #55
wanderingmind wrote: post #46

I suggest Zoho one. It's been in service for many many years. It's not as feature rich as Google or MSFT, but their service is fantastic and gives you all options a small business needs (office, marketing, CRM, sales, HR, Finance among others). https://www.zoho.com/one/

Pricing[0] is $37/employee/month, so 3-6 times the price of Google Workspace[1]. But avoiding getting locked out of your account and having to post on HN to get any support from Google? Priceless. 0: https://www.zoho.com/one/pricing/ 1: https://workspace.google.com/lp/business/

It also provides a lot more than google workspace does, assuming you need those extra tools it ends up being very cheap for what you get.

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by mooreds »

fragmede wrote: post #56
mooreds wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pricing[0] is $37/employee/month, so 3-6 times the price of Google Workspace[1]. But avoiding getting locked out of your account and having to post on HN to get any support from Google? Priceless. 0: https://www.zoho.com/one/pricing/ 1: https://workspace.google.com/lp/business/

Structurally, what does proton do that means you'd not get locked out of your account?

I was referring to Zoho (that is the pricing I mentioned).

I don't know if Zoho has great customer service, but I cannot imagine it is worse than google's.

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by omnimus »

kfrane wrote: post #49
nemosaltat wrote: post #19

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Same here. When you say your own email, do you mean Fastmail? I love Proton and they got me and my SO largely off of Google. Fastmail is just so good, I’m going to migrate everything there eventually.

I migrated from gmail to proton then to fastmail and I can now really appreciate how much more polished gmail was. My biggest pain is fastmail's ios app, e.g. clicking on an email notification will in 50% of cases result in fastmail's app to open in an unresponsive state where I have to forcefully quit the app and start again. It's been like that for close to two years now.

I think most business people dont care about clients at all because they use IMAP/SMTP/carddav/caldav.

Once you have more than one mailbox then its kinda the only way. So apple mail, thunderbird etc. And then you mostly get some quality provider mailbox.org, fastmail, infomaniak or whatever but its all the same.

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by [deleted] »

getlawgdon wrote: post #63
millzlane wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, my dumbass used Google voice as my main 2fa number and recently lost access to it. Can't get it back and I'm locked out of everything. Don't be like me. Google really can't be trusted for personal or business use. If I could talk to a human and pay $100 for it I would.

Please don't say that. I can absolutely see google charging for customer service.

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Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by [deleted] »

mooreds wrote: post #55
wanderingmind wrote: post #46

I suggest Zoho one. It's been in service for many many years. It's not as feature rich as Google or MSFT, but their service is fantastic and gives you all options a small business needs (office, marketing, CRM, sales, HR, Finance among others). https://www.zoho.com/one/

Pricing[0] is $37/employee/month, so 3-6 times the price of Google Workspace[1]. But avoiding getting locked out of your account and having to post on HN to get any support from Google? Priceless. 0: https://www.zoho.com/one/pricing/ 1: https://workspace.google.com/lp/business/

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Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by akimbostrawman »

roastedpeacock wrote: post #40
akimbostrawman wrote: post #35

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Session was the go to couple years ago but now SimpleX chat is imo superior with proper PFS even quantum resistent and better UX.

And how is the situation with desktop clients? Last I saw the situation was not exactly great.

no problem so far

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by antisocialist »

cpach wrote: post #14
pcb-rework wrote: post #9

Proton suffers from the Lavabit problem but worse, it pretends to offer security and freedom when it does neither and acts as a tool of foreign governments to abuse individuals. Use your own GPG keys and better clients, preferably with self-hosting in Iceland or Sweden.

For truly sensitive communication, it’s better to use Signal: https://soatok.blog/2024/11/15/what-to-use-instead-of-pgp/

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