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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by doctorpangloss »

akira2501 wrote: post #48
legitster wrote: post #3

In a big picture, this makes sense. You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy, very fast, and loaded with features that reward distracted driving. In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.

> and loaded with features "Ludicrous mode." > the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road. It's actually alcohol and drugs. Which is the reason those drivers find themselves in the trees.

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by kybernetikos »

peppertree wrote: post #15

I suspect the biggest factor is speed. After getting used to EV for over a year, every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. If that's the case I'm curious to see how the numbers compare to other EVs.

The worst 23 models according to the study are here: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

I'm not sure which of them are evs, but you could work it out fairly easily. Even if many of them are, it still looks to me like tesla is doing poorly by this metric.

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Post by jiveturkey »

stoplight wrote: post #13

I wonder how much of this is because (IME anyway) Tesla drivers are not very good. With all that tech it's easy to get distracted (there's literally a giant tablet looking thing for a console). It's also easy to think all the bells and whistles will do things for you so drivers are paying less attention because the car will beep and holler at them if things are going awry (except by that point it's too late).

There's a saying: BMWs are for folks that like to drive, Teslas are for folks that hate to drive.

My own add-on is: Toyotas are for folks that have to drive.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by willsoon »

Lendal wrote: post #16
robterrell wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> analyzed data from the U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) Maybe not for the "reasonable person" but government data is available and if you are here you likely know some statistics, so go nuts: https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx and https://www.nhtsa.gov/research-data/fatality-analysis-report...

Now Elon will possibly in charge of making that government database disappear.

Consider, my friends, this elegant plot twist. Musk is a secret blue agent infiltrated to make that government database disappear.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by Der_Einzige »

geysersam wrote: post #57
stoplight wrote: post #13

I wonder how much of this is because (IME anyway) Tesla drivers are not very good. With all that tech it's easy to get distracted (there's literally a giant tablet looking thing for a console). It's also easy to think all the bells and whistles will do things for you so drivers are paying less attention because the car will beep and holler at them if things are going awry (except by that point it's too late).

Tesla drivers are young men with big wallets, stereotypically. That demographic is not known for their carefulness in traffic, or in any other matter. I'm sure that simple confounding factor is enough to explain the excessive fatality rate of Tesla cars.

Tesla drivers demographic was that maybe in 2015. Today, it's the California camry.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

randomdata wrote: post #36
p_j_w wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even with heavy urbanization you'll need some form of transit on top of walking. Have you ever visited any really big cities (eg. Tokyo)? Every time I'm in one, I get the impression they would grind to a standstill without their mass transit systems.

> Have you ever visited any really big cities (eg. Tokyo) Yes, these are the rural areas of which we speak. Everything gets spread out and then you're stuck travelling long distances to do anything, just like those who live in actual rural areas. There is no question that transportation is necessary in a rural area. A proper urban environment, however, puts everything right there in a short distance. No need to ever…

I would say that's better characterized as an opposition to urbanization that's designed for and presumes the ownership of cars by those who live there, and to that I heartily agree! Gridlock-bound US cities are a nightmare to navigate, but again, that is not the fault of the city, that is also the fault of the car and how inefficient it is as a transport solution.

If cars simply didn't exist, our cities would not, could never have, been designed the way they are, in any way.

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Post by Petersipoi »

phony-account wrote: post #58
TrainedMonkey wrote: post #44

> The study was conducted on model year 2018–2022 vehicles, and focused on crashes between 2017 and 2022 that resulted in occupant fatalities. Teslas can go fast real fast, so naively this is the result I would expect given how they have filtered the data. In other words, unless they controlled for this, this would be biased by natural selection playing out. Having said that, as someone who had a couple of close call…

> Teslas can go fast real fast, so naively this is the result I would expect given how they have filtered the data. In other words, unless they controlled for this… Explain to me why you would want to filter out fatalities caused by going “real fast”?

Because comparing the fatality rate of a Corolla going 50mph and a Tesla going 90mph is useless to a person who wants a car that is safe when driven responsibly.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by oblio »

ryandvm wrote: post #24
Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Not even remotely farce. I hope the rest of the world is taking notes...

Doesn't each major government do independent safety testing/has independent safety requirements, anyway?
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