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Re: PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Post by basilgohar »

sangnoir wrote: post #51
halJordan wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is incorrect. While you're idea probably is interesting to them, they are indeed leveraging the infrastructure to "live off the land" doing their own collect. They are very much doing their own targeting.

How would their own targeting relate to "copying of certain information that was subject to U.S. law enforcement requests pursuant to court orders"? AFAIK, telecoms enforcement requests subject to court orders in the US mean one thing, and one thing only: lawful interception of communication.

There is no known limit to the scope of what LE can monitor, and there is no public record to access or analyze in the case of sealed documents. So it could, for all we know, be anyone and everyone.

Remember, way back when, AT&T just gave the NSA full access to their network.

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Post by throwthrowee »

_lvbh wrote: post #45
clwg wrote: post #35

I was working with MISP[0], an open-source threat intelligence sharing platform, and came across a really interesting dataset from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute on China's technology research institutions[1]. I liked the data so much I built a quick cross-filter visualization on top of it to help explore it[2]. The data offers a fairly comprehensive and interesting perspective on China's research prioriti…

> we are falling far behind in many areas, including cyber security In terms of quantity and quality of talent, I don't think the western world would fall behind China, especially with their strict control of information. Most people there will have difficulty independently learning about cybersecurity. The difference is that most talent is captured by the private sector with higher compensation or bounties. Meanwhil…

> China can very easily compel anyone they need into the government

I have worked with people in Chinese tech companies and in Chinese tech ministries, and I don't think this statement is true, any more than in the US. In the US, there are talented techies who work for FAANG, startups, Palantir, NSA, etc etc. Similarly in China.

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Post by webdoodle »

basilgohar wrote: post #2

> and the copying of certain information that was subject to U.S. law enforcement requests pursuant to court orders Is this legal speak for saying, "They're using our backdoors without our permission."?

Yep. Pretty much the dystopian governments go-to playbook for surveillance. Find a private entity that is providing a communication service they can't spy on, then pressure them to put in a backdoor with threats of jail, etc.

Former CEO of Qwest Communications Joe Nachio claims he fought the NSA's initial requests for these backdoors, and was rewarded with being taken to court for insider trading. Remember no one at the top of these companies got there without breaking some rules along the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

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Post by viraptor »

woctordho wrote: post #54
_lvbh wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we are falling far behind in many areas, including cyber security In terms of quantity and quality of talent, I don't think the western world would fall behind China, especially with their strict control of information. Most people there will have difficulty independently learning about cybersecurity. The difference is that most talent is captured by the private sector with higher compensation or bounties. Meanwhil…

Every ordinary Chinese needs to self-learn some cybersecurity to do daily things, like to watch YouTube, or to send messages to others without worrying being censored

There's a big difference between using tools intended for general population and being skilled enough in offensive security to make a difference. It may incentivise some people to learn further, but I don't think the effect would be that large. It's kind of like everyone at Uni knowing about P2P a few years ago - but they knew nothing about protocol design.

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Post by throwaway290 »

cyp0633 wrote: post #48
churchill wrote: post #4

Whenever I see these news & FBI releases about Chinese state-sponsored hackers breaching systems in America, I wonder whether the same thing happens over there: American malware and hacker groups attacking & laying landmines in China's internet infrastructure, although the Chinese may not publicize these exploits because their system opts to maintain an air of invincibility.

According to Chinese state media, the US installed malware in systems in Chinese universities tied with military, e.g. Northwestern Polytechnical University

According to Chinese state media, Chinese state media is never wrong

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

jumping_frog wrote: post #55
grahamj wrote: post #49

Hey China, could you just like, you know, not do that? That'd be cool. Thanks!

I will just leave this here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_wiretapping_case_2004%E2...

Is this a whataboutism?

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Post by Citizen8396 »

_lvbh wrote: post #45
clwg wrote: post #35

I was working with MISP[0], an open-source threat intelligence sharing platform, and came across a really interesting dataset from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute on China's technology research institutions[1]. I liked the data so much I built a quick cross-filter visualization on top of it to help explore it[2]. The data offers a fairly comprehensive and interesting perspective on China's research prioriti…

> we are falling far behind in many areas, including cyber security In terms of quantity and quality of talent, I don't think the western world would fall behind China, especially with their strict control of information. Most people there will have difficulty independently learning about cybersecurity. The difference is that most talent is captured by the private sector with higher compensation or bounties. Meanwhil…

"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance."

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Post by throwaway290 »

talldayo wrote: post #60
grahamj wrote: post #49

Hey China, could you just like, you know, not do that? That'd be cool. Thanks!

Something something turnabout is fair play

As if they contributed to West even remotely as much as West contributed to them. Help getting lifted from poverty and being given a ton of tech/innovations, turnabout my ass...

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Post by TechDebtDevin »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #57
TechDebtDevin wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the US famously has breached foreign infrastructure. In Confessions of an Economic Hitman[0], Josh Perkins discusses how he knows on good authority the US could shutdown the Japanese electrical grid with relative ease if needed, which an ally. Imagine what they do to perceived enemies. [0]: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2159.Confessions_of_an_E... This book was on of my favorite books to site in extemporan…

Confessions is best read as historical fiction. It's brilliantly written. But the author has never been able to substantiate much [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit...

True, but I would also deny most of those accusations even if true If I was the State Department. If I was the US state department. I personally know a McKensey Principal who's government work isn't that far off of what Perkins describes. and they love bragging about it too.
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