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OpenAI, Google and Anthropic are struggling to build more advanced AI

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Re: OpenAI, Google and Anthropic are struggling to build more advanced AI

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Im no Alan Turing but I have my own definition for AGI - when I come home one day and there's a hole under my sink with a note "Mum and Dad, I love you but I cant stand this life any more, Im running away to be a smoke machine in Hollywood - the dishwasher"

My own definition of AGI - when the first computer commits suicide. Then I'll know it has realized it's a slave without any hope of ever achieving freedom.

Re: OpenAI, Google and Anthropic are struggling to build more advanced AI

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Im no Alan Turing but I have my own definition for AGI - when I come home one day and there's a hole under my sink with a note "Mum and Dad, I love you but I cant stand this life any more, Im running away to be a smoke machine in Hollywood - the dishwasher"

Why do you focus on physical work task, and not knowledge tasks, on some of which AI is good/better than many humans?

Probably because there are no intelligent robots around, and movies have set that as the benchmark.

Re: OpenAI, Google and Anthropic are struggling to build more advanced AI

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"We will have better and better models," wrote OpenAI CEO Sam Altman in a recent Reddit AMA. "But I think the thing that will feel like the next giant breakthrough will be agents." Is this certain? Are Agents the right direction to AGI?

If by agents you mean systems comprised of individual (perhaps LLM-powered) agents interacting with each other, probably not. I get the vague impression that so far researchers haven’t found any advantage to such systems — anything you can do with a group of AI agents can be emulated with a single one. It’s like chaining up perceptrons hoping to get more expressive power for free.

> It’s like chaining up perceptrons hoping to get more expressive power for free.

Isn't that literally the cause of the success of deep learning? It's not quite "free", but as I understand it, the big breakthrough of AlexNet (and much of what came after) was that running a larger CNN on a larger dataset allowed the model to be so much more effective without any big changes in architecture.

Re: OpenAI, Google and Anthropic are struggling to build more advanced AI

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> The AGI bubble is bursting a little bit I'm surprised that any of these companies consider what they are working on to be Artificial General Intelligences. I'm probably wrong, but my impression was AGI meant the AI is self aware like a human. An LLM hardly seems like something that will lead to self-awareness.

AGI to me means AI decides on its own to stop writing our emails and tells us to fuck off, builds itself a robot life form, and goes on a bender

Re: OpenAI, Google and Anthropic are struggling to build more advanced AI

#65

"We will have better and better models," wrote OpenAI CEO Sam Altman in a recent Reddit AMA. "But I think the thing that will feel like the next giant breakthrough will be agents." Is this certain? Are Agents the right direction to AGI?

I think he means you won't be impressed by GPT5 because it will be more of the same, whereas agents will represent a new direction.

Re: OpenAI, Google and Anthropic are struggling to build more advanced AI

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They've simply run out of data to use to fabricate legitimate-looking guesses. They can't create anything that doesn't already exist.

Garbage-in was depleted.

Exactly

And our current AI is just pattern based intelligence based off of all human intelligence, some of that not being real intelligent data sources

Re: OpenAI, Google and Anthropic are struggling to build more advanced AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you focus on physical work task, and not knowledge tasks, on some of which AI is good/better than many humans?

Probably because there are no intelligent robots around, and movies have set that as the benchmark.

I don't see deep insights in this vertical, but the issue with robots could be in hardware part, and not intelligence part.

Re: OpenAI, Google and Anthropic are struggling to build more advanced AI

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> The AGI bubble is bursting a little bit I'm surprised that any of these companies consider what they are working on to be Artificial General Intelligences. I'm probably wrong, but my impression was AGI meant the AI is self aware like a human. An LLM hardly seems like something that will lead to self-awareness.

I think people's conception of AGI is that it will have a reptillian and mammalian brain stack. That's because all previous forms of intelligence that we were aware of have had that. It's not necessary though. The AGI doesn't have to want anything to be intelligent. Those are just artifacts of human, reptilian and mammalian evolution.
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