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Re: Rim/Blackberry tales – reply all

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Post by immibis »

beng-nl wrote: post #4
lproven wrote: post #3

The world needs a driving licence for email. It would mandatorily include use of plain-text and bottom-posting.

I used to think the same but I caved when I started using web interface email clients. Let’s face it, the world has moved on, new generations are online, and we are the wrong ones now.

If the entire email is being replied to, I can just read that email, which is displayed immediately before the current one in a threaded display. Why should I have to scroll past another copy of that email?

However, the original email is included as a convenience in case my MUA doesn't support threaded display or it's a mailing list I joined after the original email was sent or any other reason why I might not see it. That's why there is quoting at all.

Nobody top-posts when using selective quoting because obviously it's different.

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Post by immibis »

lproven wrote: post #41
thworp wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the other comment mentioned, the email body contains the entire quote chain. The way clients accomplish threaded display is a combination of: - parsing the unstructured email body and looking for quote levels, html formatting and printed email heads - parsing certain headers like message-id, in-reply-to, dkim sig - looking for sections of the message body in the inbox This is done because there is nothing in the p…

This is true. OTOH, I do think the problem is solvable. I came up with a routine to parse and translate about 2-3GB of saved emails into MBox format once. The official delimiter is unbelievable, IMHO. « the exact character sequence of "From", followed by a single Space character (0x20), an email address of some kind, another Space character, a timestamp sequence of some kind, and an end-of-line marker. » https://data…

Certain software used to add a > before any line starting with From in an email body because of this.

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Post by StrictDabbler »

486sx33 wrote: post #2

Some nice nostalgia for me -In high school we walked to that exact KFC for lunch and would discuss the previous nights antics playing StarCraft broodwar. -I used to fix computers (professionally) at a store on the same street as that gas station as an after high school job -In Dec/jan 2010 I worked 18 hours a day laying floors in the new RIM buildings at Philip/Colombia. A friend’s dad did a lot of the furniture movi…

I'm glad to see WCRI is still there, though it's hard to claim it's fully "off-campus".

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

lproven wrote: post #43
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate both of those things. I guess this means war, please look for my envoy bearing the formal declaration of war.

You are wrong. https://useplaintext.email/ The biggest and most successfull FOSS project of all time is coordinated entirely by email. These are the rules: https://subspace.kernel.org/etiquette.html Again: you are wrong.

I don't give a shit what the Linux kernel does. It doesn't change the fact that I think plain text is ugly, HTML mail has no drawbacks I care about, and bottom posting is just plain weird.

> Again: you are wrong.

No, you.

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Post by marssaxman »

cloudedcordial wrote: post #37
486sx33 wrote: post #2

Some nice nostalgia for me -In high school we walked to that exact KFC for lunch and would discuss the previous nights antics playing StarCraft broodwar. -I used to fix computers (professionally) at a store on the same street as that gas station as an after high school job -In Dec/jan 2010 I worked 18 hours a day laying floors in the new RIM buildings at Philip/Colombia. A friend’s dad did a lot of the furniture movi…

I was in the area around 2010 working for someone else. Adding to your bullet points: - The pool business near the single-digit RIM buildings had more business than they could do. Many folks wanted swimming pools at their homes. - Various eateries such as the sandwich shop mentioned in the article made decent money during the height of Blackberry. - People skipped starter homes and bought single houses as their first…

> People skipped starter homes and bought single houses as their first homes.

This is a terminological distinction I am not familiar with; what is a "single house", and what is the difference between a starter home and a first home?

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Post by tverbeure »

I love reply all events and have fond memories of the adventures of the Fluke Meter at GlobeSpan (long defunct.)

It started when one good soul sent out a worldwide email asking "Who has the Fluke meter?" and after the first person replied "It's not here!", the rest of the world reacted in kind.

It took about a day for the storm to die down.

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Post by shepting »

I was working there that fall as one of my co-op work terms!

I recall the onboarding tour around the testing rooms which were essentially giant Faraday cages. There was a print-out on the door exhorting employees to CLOSE THE DOOR! when you come or go. Apparently it was a semi-monthly occurrence where someone would accidentally leave the door propped open and the nightly tests on upcoming devices would make real 911 calls to the local dispatchers as the E2E tests on physical hardware were running.

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Post by Miraste »

morkalork wrote: post #21
486sx33 wrote: post #2

Some nice nostalgia for me -In high school we walked to that exact KFC for lunch and would discuss the previous nights antics playing StarCraft broodwar. -I used to fix computers (professionally) at a store on the same street as that gas station as an after high school job -In Dec/jan 2010 I worked 18 hours a day laying floors in the new RIM buildings at Philip/Colombia. A friend’s dad did a lot of the furniture movi…

The wild thing about the condo boom in Waterloo is 77% of units are owned by investors. It truly exemplifies the mess that is the housing market. Rentors can't break into it and homeowners are doubling, tripling up on properties.

The Canadian housing market is apocalyptic. It's hard to think of a greater regulatory failure.

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Post by GJim »

gknoy wrote: post #55
GJim wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A: Because it messes up the order of things. Q: Why is top posting bad?

You jest, but I've noticed that the conventions of "newest on top" vs "newest on bottom" is _seriously confusing_ for some people that I help navigate tech stuff. I don't know how to describe the heuristic for: - New text conversations show at the _top_ of the list of conversations - New messages are at the _bottome_ of a conversation - New emails are at the _top_ of your email client (?) - and now you remind me that…

No.

Bottom posting replies was the default in all early email and USENET clients.....

Then MS Outlook came along, which was the first email client to break convention and default to top posting (i.e. putting the cursor at the top when replying to a message). Thence forth, "office" users began top posting, and the confusion began.

To this day, the old guard (like me) bottom posts and always trims the above quoted text of irrelevant details (!). Anything else was considered not only lazy and sloppy, but the mark of a noob with bad netiquette.

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Post by creaturemachine »

marssaxman wrote: post #65
cloudedcordial wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was in the area around 2010 working for someone else. Adding to your bullet points: - The pool business near the single-digit RIM buildings had more business than they could do. Many folks wanted swimming pools at their homes. - Various eateries such as the sandwich shop mentioned in the article made decent money during the height of Blackberry. - People skipped starter homes and bought single houses as their first…

> People skipped starter homes and bought single houses as their first homes. This is a terminological distinction I am not familiar with; what is a "single house", and what is the difference between a starter home and a first home?

Maybe they consider a townhome or apartment condo as a starter home, which is true in the current market, but 25 years ago it wasn't uncommon to buy a detached as your first home.
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