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Re: German coalition government collapses

#61
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Lindner was out of line, did a solo act and Scholz took it personally, his ego was insulted, so he fired him. Lindner did it on purpose. He either knows what he's doing (ace under the sleeve) or is a total idiot.

Lindner was forced to do it. FDP has been under the 5% barrier in polls for months now, down from 11,4%. If they stayed in the coalition until the next regular election, they would most likely not even get into parliament again. At least with this move, they have a better chance.

Re: German coalition government collapses

#62
post #8

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As another German, I fully agree about the political landscape in Germany being FUBAR. I'm an entrepreneur with a small business and the FDP is closest to my personal views in theory. In reality, they are just a bit lighter shade of green-socialism than the other parties. Lindner's paper is a joke. Germany needs much more radical changes than he proposed to ensure a prosperous future, but even his very tame suggestio…

enormous exit taxes Huh? Can you speak more about that? much of the western world in a similarly bad state That is the real crux. The only chance so to speak is to go to a western country that's in better state, though it's not necessarily gonna be a good state. The US honestly seems like the best option right now That probably depends on various things. Are you a white male with the right job? Not too bad. Are you m…

> Huh? Can you speak more about that?

If you give up residency in Germany and own company shares over 1%, you are taxed as if you sold them at the current value.

For private companies, this value is calculated by the tax authority with a procedure called "Vereinfachtes Ertragswertfahren" ("simplified income approach"), where they basically take the average post-tax profit of the last three years and multiply it by 13,75.

The tax you pay on that varies based on your personal circumstances (personal tax rate, church tax etc) but is around 30%.

So, the tax authority values your small company with 100k€ average yearly profit at 1,37m€ and wants you to pay roughly 400k€ exit tax for the privilege of moving out of Germany.

You already paid around 50k€ corporate tax per year to get to that 100k€ post-tax profit. And to pay out the 100k€ as dividends from the company to yourself, you pay another 25% capital gains tax on it, being left with 75k€. So to afford the exit tax, you'd have to save 100% of your profits for roughly 5 years, or less if you are able to save something from your regular salary.

This is very hard to afford under most circumstances, even with installments, and means that Germany quickly becomes a prison for even mildly successful entrepreneurs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriation_tax#Germany https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vereinfachtes_Ertragswertverfa...

Re: German coalition government collapses

#63

If the future German Chancellor is here, here's my proposal for your new campaign: "We choose to build one million affordable apartments in four years, not because it's easy but because it's hard". It may not solve all of Germany's problems but at least you'll energize the construction sector, alleviate the housing crisis, learn how to finish a construction project on time and you'll have to remove some bureaucracy t…

People who already have property would not be happy because the government would spend huge money on a program they are not interested. And it could make the houses prices lower (which could be not popular for people, who already paying a loan). Would attract people who are renting though.

Re: German coalition government collapses

#64

If the future German Chancellor is here, here's my proposal for your new campaign: "We choose to build one million affordable apartments in four years, not because it's easy but because it's hard". It may not solve all of Germany's problems but at least you'll energize the construction sector, alleviate the housing crisis, learn how to finish a construction project on time and you'll have to remove some bureaucracy t…

It's unbelievably bad government behaviour. Allow mass immigration, to enjoy the boost in tax revenues and GDP, while dumping all the costs and fallout on the people. Rents skyrocketed, utility bills getting more expensive, waiting twice as long for a doctor? Well that's not my problem, is it pleb? It'd be one thing if they were actively clearing the path for it to minimise impact. Preemptively clearing land and buil…

I invite anybody to show me any credible evidence the immigration has a positive Net Present Value (NPV). The purpose was the destruction of the status quo, not improved tax revenues and GDP, but rather its replacement with a compliant, desperate, and above all else, an obedient population.

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#65
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Same in the US. Especially in the party that now lost. Maybe believing in some equality fairyland where everything is fair and equal doesn’t work. Doesn’t work for the US and doesn’t work for Germany. You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Many inventors were “crazy” at the time including Einstein, Turing and DaVinci to name a few. Maybe in 50 years we will talk about the government…

> You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Yeah, like stripping away LGBT rights or abortion? The far-right, no matter if we are talking about the US, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Argentinia, Israel or the UK, has clearly stated what they want to do, and they have shown in more than enough cases (Argentinia, USA, UK) that they are willing to throw the entire nation under the bus for…

It has been a whole campaign based on the needs of the 0.whatever% part of the population, I’ve always been a respectful member of society thinking that lgbt people have the rights to be whatever they want and everyone has the right to define himself, I’ve been even to a gay pride, but now they’ve broken my balls, a bunch of people can’t just monopolize the debate for everyone

Re: German coalition government collapses

#66
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As another German, I fully agree about the political landscape in Germany being FUBAR. I'm an entrepreneur with a small business and the FDP is closest to my personal views in theory. In reality, they are just a bit lighter shade of green-socialism than the other parties. Lindner's paper is a joke. Germany needs much more radical changes than he proposed to ensure a prosperous future, but even his very tame suggestio…

enormous exit taxes Huh? Can you speak more about that? much of the western world in a similarly bad state That is the real crux. The only chance so to speak is to go to a western country that's in better state, though it's not necessarily gonna be a good state. The US honestly seems like the best option right now That probably depends on various things. Are you a white male with the right job? Not too bad. Are you m…

"Are you male and the wrong job or you might like other men? Much less good. "

Could you explain what you're talking about here? "It sucks to be poor", that makes sense. But being gay doesn't matter imo and I fail to see how other (western) countries are much different.

I generally have similar feelings about your other points, but don't have personal experience there.

Re: German coalition government collapses

#67

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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Trump's followers raid the capitol last time (with his approval)? Seems unstable from the outside

At no point did those Jan6 people have the ability to actually overthrow the US government. Let's not exaggerate their ability to take over all US armed forces and government operations. Jan6 was more a barnacle on the leviathan that is the US government.

January 6th was an excuse for pence to not certify so in the fight for certification it would be thrown to the supreme Court that trump owns

Re: German coalition government collapses

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

enormous exit taxes Huh? Can you speak more about that? much of the western world in a similarly bad state That is the real crux. The only chance so to speak is to go to a western country that's in better state, though it's not necessarily gonna be a good state. The US honestly seems like the best option right now That probably depends on various things. Are you a white male with the right job? Not too bad. Are you m…

"Are you male and the wrong job or you might like other men? Much less good. " Could you explain what you're talking about here? "It sucks to be poor", that makes sense. But being gay doesn't matter imo and I fail to see how other (western) countries are much different. I generally have similar feelings about your other points, but don't have personal experience there.

Donald Trump and especially the people that voted for him are not so sweet on gays (well I guess some might tolerate gay women on a porn site, but not so much living right next to them). It would absolutely not surprise me if after the repeal of abortion rights, gay marriage rights will be next. Now to be fair, some of the states did vote for better abortion rights after the repeal (and during this presidential election), so there's that. But the tendencies and what Trump stands for in general don't bode well. I wouldn't bet on it so to speak.

That said, we are talking about this in context of Germany, where you are correct in that women's rights are less enshrined than one might think of in such a country. And especially in AfD country you don't want to be seen going off to party at CSD. Being gay in the middle of Berlin I guess is akin to being gay in the middle of a metro city in California, while being gay in the middle of the Thuringian forest is like being gay in the middle of certain "flyover states".

Re: German coalition government collapses

#70

As a german imo the real problem is that we replaced reasoning with ideology. There are sometimes complex connections between cause and effect. It is not enough to just have the right intention.

This. Just had a longer discussion with my wife just now why this is. So many discussions in Germany revolve around ideology and not what’s best in the situation right now.

Very vague content free statement.

Best is subjective, some care about human rights, some care about their children, some care about people other than themselves and others don't care and frame everything they don't care about as ideology.

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