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Re: In Memory of Stiver

#61

Post by oytis »

protomolecule wrote: post #56
aix1 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume when you say "politically" you include the ongoing war in Ukraine. I think it's a huge factor in this context, given its impact and the risks it presents to folks (especially young men) who choose to remain in Russia. By some estimates, 900K people have left Russia since the invasion [1], of whom 100K were IT specialists leaving in 2022 alone [2] (I haven't looked at the figures since then). I think that's a…

In Russia programmers working at accredited IT-companies are safe from mobilization [0] > I think that's a pretty strong indication of the sentiment. Some left following their western employers, some fled from the mobilization in 2022. >And wrt the economy, didn't the Central Bank just increase the benchmark rate to 21% It did, that's why I said 'mostly'. Kremlin is pumping money into defense industry and into paymen…

> Kremlin is pumping money into defense industry and into payments to contract soldiers, the Central Bank is doing what it can to curb the inflation.

Well, yes, and what do you think the impact of it is going to be on the economy?

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by protomolecule »

oytis wrote: post #61
protomolecule wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Russia programmers working at accredited IT-companies are safe from mobilization [0] > I think that's a pretty strong indication of the sentiment. Some left following their western employers, some fled from the mobilization in 2022. >And wrt the economy, didn't the Central Bank just increase the benchmark rate to 21% It did, that's why I said 'mostly'. Kremlin is pumping money into defense industry and into paymen…

> Kremlin is pumping money into defense industry and into payments to contract soldiers, the Central Bank is doing what it can to curb the inflation. Well, yes, and what do you think the impact of it is going to be on the economy?

The lowest unemployment ever, some redistribution of wealth in favor of workers in the military industry and soldiers.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by 082349872349872 »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #53
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #11

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How do you change the political environment in a dictatorship where ruling class has all the power and majority of the money and controls what you should read, watch or talk about?

The ruling class is not a monolith, it's made of people with their own idea who are constantly vying for a better position. Just this week some part of the US ruling class got some better seats in the game of musical chairs. The game's not much different anywhere in the world, other than the window dressing.

Goldstein, The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism (1948) has a description of the game which agrees with Veblen, Luttwak, Bueno de Mesquita & Smith, and probably a few others over the last five thousand years.

If the mid wishes a circulation of elites, they must ally with the low against the high; if the high wishes to prevent this, they can ally with the low against the mid.

A crucial point on which Goldstein, Squealer, and the 2 Ronnies, agree is that no matter which way these alliances are sorted in theory, somehow in practice the low always wind up more or less where they started.

> Oh, it's the meek! Blessed are the meek! Oh, that's nice, isn't it? I'm glad they're getting something, 'cause they have a hell of a time. —Mrs. BN

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by selivanovp »

9dev wrote: post #58
riehwvfbk wrote: post #52

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Generally speaking, wars tend to end.

Specifically speaking, however, we are talking about Russia illegally invading and occupying Ukraine, a sovereign state both Russia and the USA have explicitly declared to keep its territorial integrity intact in exchange for its nuclear weapons. We are talking about this because the president-elect of the USA has curiously exclaimed to be able to ”end the war“ in a single day, and the only way that is possible is by…

Russia is not imperialistic, Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO.

The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war started, because Russia can not allow Ukraine to be turned into a hostile state, ideologically driven by hatred towards Russia and Russians and manipulated by NATO, with bases on its territory.

Russia is fine with Ukrainians, if you're unaware, Russia accepted the largest number of Ukrainian refugees of all countries. Most of these people got Russian citizenship. It's actually Ukraine, that turned Zelensky into a king with absolute power, dismantled all the opposition party, oppressed Russian language, culture, religion, wiping history, and basically brainwashing population with targeted hatred. The reality is: Ukrainian dystopian regime is hanging on Western support. Without money and weapons they can't even feed their people anymore, but already turning women to cannon fodder, and no doubt, that in a few month they'll force their kids to go to tranches also. Because Ukrainian leaders don't care about Ukraine or Ukrainians, all they care is their pockets, that are filled by the war, and their goal is to prolong this war for as much as possible.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by Kwpolska »

hnisoss wrote: post #60
Kwpolska wrote: post #36

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Why does everyone have to share their real life identity on the Internet? Why do you care?

related https://sive.rs/anon

> If you defiantly refuse to say who you are, it can make people angry that you’re upsetting social reciprocity. You know who they are, but they don’t know who you are. It feels rude. An obsessive personality might make it their damn mission to figure out who you are!

To be frank, fuck them. I’m not inventing an entire persona and stuff just to make some weirdos happy.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by oytis »

protomolecule wrote: post #62
oytis wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Kremlin is pumping money into defense industry and into payments to contract soldiers, the Central Bank is doing what it can to curb the inflation. Well, yes, and what do you think the impact of it is going to be on the economy?

The lowest unemployment ever, some redistribution of wealth in favor of workers in the military industry and soldiers.

That's the immediate result. But what about later, when the war is over? Military expense is non-productive, economically it's the same as just giving people money for free while they are sitting on the couch (nobody is killed in the latter case though).

Military overspending literally killed Soviet Union, and people returning from Afghanistan war made guaranteed the unforgettable social climate after that. I don't see any reason to be bullish on Russia, even if Trump now gives up Ukraine for Putin.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by aguaviva »

selivanovp wrote: post #64
9dev wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Specifically speaking, however, we are talking about Russia illegally invading and occupying Ukraine, a sovereign state both Russia and the USA have explicitly declared to keep its territorial integrity intact in exchange for its nuclear weapons. We are talking about this because the president-elect of the USA has curiously exclaimed to be able to ”end the war“ in a single day, and the only way that is possible is by…

Russia is not imperialistic, Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO. The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war sta…

The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war started, because Russia can not allow Ukraine to be turned into a hostile state, ideologically driven by hatred towards Russia and Russians and manipulated by NATO, with bases on its territory.

It seems you may not appreciate the extent to which the sources you're getting these narratives from may be woefully uninformed, and/or simply lying to you.

None of this "puppet state" stuff, or the descriptions of events in 2004/2014 that you're echoing here has any connection to reality. If the Ukrainian government were simply a "puppet" of the United States, then it would have evacuated from Kyiv after the 2022 invasion just like the former was advising it to do. But it did the complete opposite, instead.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by 9dev »

selivanovp wrote: post #64
9dev wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Specifically speaking, however, we are talking about Russia illegally invading and occupying Ukraine, a sovereign state both Russia and the USA have explicitly declared to keep its territorial integrity intact in exchange for its nuclear weapons. We are talking about this because the president-elect of the USA has curiously exclaimed to be able to ”end the war“ in a single day, and the only way that is possible is by…

Russia is not imperialistic, Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO. The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war sta…

Most of what you’ve written is just plain wrong, but I’m not responsible for clearing up the propaganda.

Let me just say this: No political fear of any foreign influence on a bordering country ever justifies invading this country, killing its citizens, and destroying its infrastructure. No matter how you try to frame it, Russia committed crimes in Ukraine, which it is completely responsible for. You may try to blame the victim here, but that will never become the truth.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by rob74 »

znpy wrote: post #41
Kwpolska wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does everyone have to share their real life identity on the Internet? Why do you care?

Many people base their judgment of somebody on the person’s ideals rather than actual accomplishments. My gut feeling is that gp wanted to evaluate Stiver on something else rather than personal accomplishments. It’s another sign of the performative society we live into, where work and accomplishments don’t matter but virtue signalling does.

Funny that you're judging me by assuming that I want to judge him. It just struck me as unusual (and a bit sad) to see this obituary without anything personal. But I don't feel in any way "entitled" to get any personal details, far from it...
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