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Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by mrandish »

deprecative wrote: post #35
noduerme wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah. I've often thought that my actual rhythm is for a 25-26 hour day. I was going to write that but it seemed like too much to explain. As I go to bed later and later, eventually I find myself awake past sunrise, which is usually the day when I'll intentionally have a short sleep and snap back to an early bedtime that night. Kids would definitely screw up this aspect of my lifestyle lol. But kids give you immortalit…

Just as a secondary data point. Without medication I have about a 32:12 hour cycle. Up for at least 30 hours and sleeping for about 12. I can function on 5 but I'm grumpy about it for a while. Always been that way. Completely inverted as well. Up all night and my body tries to convince me to sleep during the day but I'm just not able to for another twelve hours. I got fired from several jobs because of it. My folks w…

Just curious what meds you take for this.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by Hashex129542 »

Buttons840 wrote: post #43
Hashex129542 wrote: post #37

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Personal experiences cannot disprove a large scale statistical observation like this.

i forgot the rule that I don't post against the wind in internet. So I can avoid arguments with random peoples at online.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by Hashex129542 »

hackernewds wrote: post #53
Hashex129542 wrote: post #37

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your anecdata is not data. this almost seems like a troll post

i forgot the rule that I don't post against the wind in internet. So I can avoid arguments with random peoples at online.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by njtransit »

PittleyDunkin wrote: post #17
Calavar wrote: post #13

> We aimed to assess the relationship of objectively measured sleep regularity with risk for all-cause mortality, and mortality from cardiometabolic causes and cancer, in a large cohort (N = 60 977) who wore accelerometer devices for 1 week. They look at one week of sleep data and then check mortality records about 10 to 15 years later. It's hard to argue a causative effect between one week of bad sleep and death pot…

> It's hard to argue a causative effect between one week of bad sleep and death potentially 10+ years out. Statistically—absolutely, I agree with you, but controls and sample sizes can always be improved. Narratively—it's also not difficult to see: "gunk builds up in brain; gunk requires regular removal; sleep removes gunk; stable sleep removes gunk better than unstable sleep" It's difficult to blame people for emoti…

The issue is that almost all human behavior is correlated and, even if you have an easy-to-see [sic] method of action, e.g. “brain gunk”, that doesn’t automatically negate a nearly-infinite set of other possible causes from correlated behavior. Just a random example: those with high stress probably sleep poorly. You can think of a number of possible explanations that link high stress to shorter lifespans: more likely to commit suicide, more fat retention, less time for healthy activities, etc.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by tayo42 »

devmor wrote: post #60
tayo42 wrote: post #49

After having a kid Ive wondered how all these sleep disruption means you'll die studies could actually be true. You'd think evolution would have taken care of it at some point

As far as evolution is concerned, you've already had the kid - you passed on your genes. If you survive long enough to make sure your kid reaches maturity, that's all that matters there. Evolution can't select for anything that happens significantly past the birth of your progeny.

Maybe, but do other mammals suffer from this? Maybe it woukd have been taken care of with some early human-ish species with shorter life spans or something.

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Post by saalweachter »

7e wrote: post #27
meindnoch wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

99% of people die from causes other than "brain gunk".

Brain gunk could accelerate those causes, no?

Eh, you gotta be careful with One Weird Trick medicine.

Once you get past painfully obvious problems, everything not currently easily fixed by modern medicine tends to be "well it's really complicated" sets of problems; there's not one Cancer, your blood pressure can be elevated for many reasons, syndromes like chronic fatigue are almost certainly a mix of dozens of problems binned together by common symptoms but will have different causes and treatments.

Anyone saying they have one treatment to fix dozens of problems is a huckster, and trying to come up with a medical Theory of Everything to explain large swaths of disease is your origin story for how you become a huckster.

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