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Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

how would you like the next CEO to handle it, for reference?

These words mean nothing really. I expect the next CEO to not use meaningless phrases. How does "taking responsibility" works in his case? What does it even mean other than PR fluff?

I mean he's just stating what his job is. CEO is responsible by definition. He's saying "Hey all this is my job."

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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post #44

TIL that nobody knows what they're doing. Jokes aside, how do you end up having more than 500 excess people than what you need? What is management exactly doing during the time they went from 1 excess person to 500? Did they just hope the "macroeconomic headwinds" would become tailwinds? Didn't they at some point see that they have more people than valuable work, and maybe we should deal with that problem instead of…

Dropbox is public and has actual profits. I think your comment is not accurate.

Instead I think the company has plateaued in growth and thus they need to cut back spending otherwise they will have falling profits and no growth - which is worse than just no growth.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

#63

"As CEO, I take full responsibility for this decision" Oh hey another one that takes responsibility by taking on 0 consequences.

What consequences would you like CEOs to take on when they have to do layoffs?

Resignation. If they made a big enough blunder to need to lay off 20% of their staff, they're not capable of leading the company.

Why do we think they'd do any better next time if there are no consequences to their poor leadership?

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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We’ve heard from many of you that our organizational structure has become overly complex, with excess layers of management slowing us down.

So we're making more significant cuts in areas where we're over-invested or underperforming while designing a flatter, more efficient team structure overall.

So a lot of middle management getting let go then?

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Honestly, this doesn't strike me as a bad layoff announcement, with one caveat. I’m writing to let you all know that after careful consideration, we've decided to reduce our global workforce by approximately 20% or 528 Dropboxers. Should be replaced with I’m writing to let you all know that after careful consideration, we've decided to reduce our global workforce by approximately 20% or 528 people. You should never u…

The employee pet name shit is just really tired at this point. It's as bad as the job postings still looking for Rock Stars or Ninjas or whatever.

They're not Dropboxers, they're not associates, they are employees. Pretending otherwise is foolish on both sides.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

#67

"As CEO, I take full responsibility for this decision" Oh hey another one that takes responsibility by taking on 0 consequences.

Unpopular opinion, but I don't understand this type of comment. It sounds like people want executives to get some kind of punishment or pain as a consequence of laying people off. But what would that even look like? A fine? That would probably make no practical difference, and would discourage them from making changes that need to be made. Fire them? Then you would probably get a worse decision maker in the driver se…

They say "I take responsibility" and then.. don't take any responsibility. It's insult on injury.

How big of a bonus will this CEO get this year? Last year?

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

#68

Honestly, this doesn't strike me as a bad layoff announcement, with one caveat. I’m writing to let you all know that after careful consideration, we've decided to reduce our global workforce by approximately 20% or 528 Dropboxers. Should be replaced with I’m writing to let you all know that after careful consideration, we've decided to reduce our global workforce by approximately 20% or 528 people. You should never u…

It's to remind them they are beloved "Dropboxers", and are part of the family... before terminating them.

I've never been a big fan of any such language, regardless of layoff context. Do enough people prefer it that it's actually a net win for business by way of improved morale or whatever? I wonder if it's been seriously studied.

Then again, I'm also of the mind that email addresses (or whatever other contact methods) ought to belong to functional areas/positions rather than to people (other than for person-specific topics such as time off, personal development, etc.) so turnover doesn't lead to questions of where to send questions/requests. I assume this is an unusually inhumane outlook!

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

#69

"As CEO, I take full responsibility for this decision" Oh hey another one that takes responsibility by taking on 0 consequences.

Unpopular opinion, but I don't understand this type of comment. It sounds like people want executives to get some kind of punishment or pain as a consequence of laying people off. But what would that even look like? A fine? That would probably make no practical difference, and would discourage them from making changes that need to be made. Fire them? Then you would probably get a worse decision maker in the driver se…

yeah, taking a personal financial hit on this would go some way to at least pretend to actually have tried preventing it. Not sure about this particular CEO's salary, but I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't finance a few engineers' salaries by cutting the CEO's, without it even hurting very much.

Not saying it's enough, not saying that's the only way, but I find it peculiar that this seems to be unthinkable.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

#70

"As CEO, I take full responsibility for this decision" Oh hey another one that takes responsibility by taking on 0 consequences.

Unpopular opinion, but I don't understand this type of comment. It sounds like people want executives to get some kind of punishment or pain as a consequence of laying people off. But what would that even look like? A fine? That would probably make no practical difference, and would discourage them from making changes that need to be made. Fire them? Then you would probably get a worse decision maker in the driver se…

> But what would that even look like?

> Iwata ran the Kyoto, Japan-based video game company [Nintendo] from 2002 until his death in 2015. To avoid layoffs, Iwata took a 50% pay cut to help pay for employee salaries, saying a fully-staffed Nintendo would have a better chance of rebounding. [0]

[0]: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/13/nintendo-ceo-once-halved-sal...

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