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Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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i would be may more impressed if LLMs could do code compression. more code == more things that can break, and when llms can generate boatloads of it with a click you can imagine what might happen

Exactly this. Code is a liability, if you can do the same thing with less code you're often better off.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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if the golden rule is that code is a liability, what does this headline imply?

I'm sure google won't pay you money to take all their code off their hands.

But they would pay me money to audit it for security.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure google won't pay you money to take all their code off their hands.

But they would pay me money to audit it for security.

yup, you can get paid all kinds of money to fix/guard/check billion/trillion dollar assets..

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The elitism of programmers who think the boilerplate code they write for 25% of the job, that's already been written before by 1000 other people before, is in fact a valuable use of company time to write by hand again. IMO it's only really an issue if a competent human wasn't involved in the process, basically a person who could have written it if needed, then they do the work connecting it to the useful stuff, and h…

you probably underestimate the endless miles of verbose code that are possible, by human or machine but especially by machine.

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Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the public cares wether their code is written by machines or real people as long as the product works.

Just today, Google Calendar asked me whether I wanted the "easy" or "depressed" colour scheme.

Ironically, your comment brightened my day.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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i would be may more impressed if LLMs could do code compression. more code == more things that can break, and when llms can generate boatloads of it with a click you can imagine what might happen

I agree. It seems like counting lines of generated code is like counting bytes/instructions of compiled code - who cares? If “code” becomes prompts, then AI should lead to much smaller code than before. I’m aware that the difference is that AI-generated code can be read and modified by humans. But that quantity is bad because humans have to understand it to read or modify it.

What's that line about accounting for lines of code on the wrong side of the balance sheet?

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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I think he's trying to promote AI, somehow raises questions about thrir code quality among some

I think it just shows how much noise there is in coding. Code gets reviewed anyways (although review quality was going down rapidly the more PMs where added to the team)

Most of the code must be what could be snippets (opening files and handling errors with absl::, and moving data from proto to proto). One thing that doesn't help here, is that when writing for many engineers on different teams to read, spelling out simple code instead of depending on too many abstractions seems to be preferred by most teams.

I guess that LLMs do provide smarter snippets that I don't need to fill out in detail, and when it understands types and whether things compile it gets quite good and "smart" when it comes to write down boilerplate.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Writing more code means more needs to be maintained and they are cleverly hiding that fact. Software is a lot more like complex plumbing than people want to admit:

More lines == more shit to maintain. Complex lines == the shit is unmanageable.

But wall street investors love simplistic narratives such as More X == More revenue. So here we are. Pretty clever marketing imo.

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