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Re: Accountability sinks

#61

I feel like the article, or perhaps just the example, is missing the point. >> a higher up at a hospitality company decides to reduce the size of its cleaning staff, because it improves the numbers on a balance sheet somewhere. Later, you are trying to check into a room, but it’s not ready and the clerk can’t tell you when it will be; they can offer a voucher, but what you need is a room. This reads from the perspect…

Came here to say this.

And even in the case where the company's decision is arguably just "bad," it still might not be a problem from the company's point of view.

Companies (including start-ups) create buggy products all the time and don't care, and aren't very responsive to requests for support, as long as money is coming in. I don't think they are using special accountability-flushing techniques. It takes real work, intention, experience, and power in a company to create feedback channels, and use them, and ensure that the customer has an experience of quality. It doesn't happen by magic or by default.

Re: Accountability sinks

#62

I liked this article a lot - it made me think about the ways large companies operate from a different viewpoint. At the same time, though, I think it's a mistake to leave out the fact that, in many ways, modern society is just so fundamentally complex that we (as a society at large) deliberately forego demanding accountability because we believe the system is so complex that it's impossible to assign blame to a singl…

I think you are conflating accountability and blame when I don't think those terms can be used interchangeably here. Accountability can be used as a way of assigning blame, but that isn't all that it is good for.

Accountability, at least as presented here, is about feeeback between those affected by a decision and those making it. In a "blameless culture", people are still held to account for their decisions and actions but are not blamed for their results.

I would argue that a blameless culture actually makes accountability sinks less likely to develop. In blameful cultures, avoiding accountability avoids blame, but that is not needed in a blameless culture.

Re: Accountability sinks

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post #58

Tom Schelling's 'The Strategy of Conflict' touches on similar themes, but mostly in a more positive light. One of his examples is that you should make yourself unavailable for contact, when you suspect someone is trying to blackmail you. That's exactly the same severing of a link as described in the article.

> you should make yourself unavailable for contact, when you suspect someone is trying to blackmail you.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how often does blackmail happen that it rises to the level of needing strategic advice like "make yourself unavailable" ?

Who is Tom Schelling's audience?

Re: Accountability sinks

#64
I remember experiencing this in one of the German airports/airlines and having that exact thought.

It was this fully automated airport, where the checkin is self serviced and you only interact with computers.

Eventually, when I inserted my boarding pass I had a printed piece of paper back that said that they had to change my seat from aisle to midseat

I then tried to find someone to talk to the entire way, but computers can only interact in the way the UI was designed, and no programmer accounted or cared for my scenario

The ground attendant couldn't have done anything of course because it wasn't part of the scope of her job, and this was the part of germany where nice was not one of their stereotypes.

Eventually I got a survey a week later about a different leg of the flight, so could I really complain there? that one was fine? I had a paranoid wonder if that was intentional

Re: Accountability sinks

#65
Too focused on the bottom level. If a given business process results in employee A doing their job correctly according to the process, passing work to employee B doing their job correctly according to the process, passing work to employee C doing their job correctly according to the process, and the end result is shit, then the person who is accountable for the end result being shit is the manager who is responsible for the process itself. As more and more employees are involved, and the processes get more and more hierarchical (rather than "employee A", you have "middle-manager M"), then the person with accountability is higher and higher up the hierarchy, who also has more and more power and responsibility to fix it.

The idea of "unaccountable" failures only makes sense if both (a) the problem is so systemic that actually an executive is accountable, (b) the executive is so far removed in the hierarchy from the line employees doing the work that nobody knows each other or sometimes even sits on the same campus, (c) the levers available to the executive to fix the problem are insufficient for fixing the problem, e.g. the underlying root cause is a culture problem, but culture is determined by who you hire, fire, and promote, while hiring and firing are handled by "outside" HR who are unaccountable to the executive who is supposedly accountable. But really this is another way of saying that accountability is simply another level higher, i.e. it is the CEO who is accountable since both the executive and HR are accountable to the CEO.

No, you have to have an astoundingly large organization (like government) to really have unaccountability sinks, where Congress pass laws with explicit intent for some desired outcome, but after passing through 14 committees and working groups the real-language policy has been distorted to produce the exact opposite effect, like a great big game of telephone, one defined by everyone trying to de-risk, because the only genuine shared culture across large organizations is de-risking, and it is simply not possible to actually put in place both policy and real-life changes to hiring, firing, and promotion practices in the public sector to start to take more risks, because at the end of the day, even the politicians in Congress are trying to de-risk, and civil servants burning taxpayer money on riskier schemes is not politically popular, though maybe it should be, considering the costs of de-risked culture.

Re: Accountability sinks

#66
In my country they enacted this system for student management that is national.

It handles signups, restauration and housing services, grades, everything.

One example is that the grades are entered by professors and mistakes happen all the time, for everyone, due to the insane server load.

There's no one to complain to, because the excuse is always "it's the system, not us"

Re: Accountability sinks

#67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not accountability. Can the algorithm be sent to jail if it commit crimes?

Is the point revenge or fixing the problem? Fixing the algorithm to never do that again is easy. Or is the point to instill fear?

The point is that "accountability of an algorithm" is a category error.

Re: Accountability sinks

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's much easier to hold an algorithm accountable than an organization of humans. You can reprogram an algorithm. But good look influencing an organization to change

That is not accountability. Can the algorithm be sent to jail if it commit crimes?

Interesting that you mention jail… the rule of law is kind of the ultimate accountability sink.

Re: Accountability sinks

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post #65

Too focused on the bottom level. If a given business process results in employee A doing their job correctly according to the process, passing work to employee B doing their job correctly according to the process, passing work to employee C doing their job correctly according to the process, and the end result is shit, then the person who is accountable for the end result being shit is the manager who is responsible…

> Too focused on the bottom level. If a given business process results in employee A doing their job correctly according to the process... then the person who is accountable for the end result being shit is the manager who is responsible for the process itself.

The book's point is that while this _should_ be the case, all too often it's not. AFAIK, nobody has been charged with forging documents in the case of Wells Fargo cross selling. Not the counter clerks who directly responded to incentives and management pressure nor the executives who built that system.

Re: Accountability sinks

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post #63
post #58

Tom Schelling's 'The Strategy of Conflict' touches on similar themes, but mostly in a more positive light. One of his examples is that you should make yourself unavailable for contact, when you suspect someone is trying to blackmail you. That's exactly the same severing of a link as described in the article.

> you should make yourself unavailable for contact, when you suspect someone is trying to blackmail you. Maybe I'm missing something, but how often does blackmail happen that it rises to the level of needing strategic advice like "make yourself unavailable" ? Who is Tom Schelling's audience?

> Who is Tom Schelling's audience?

Politicians setting policies for use of nuclear weapons during the cold war, IIRC. Among others, at least.

I read parts of that book many years ago, I recall the major theme is that voluntarily sacrificing control over the situation can be a powerful way to force the other party to do what you want. Like if you and me are playing "chicken", speeding towards each other and wanting the other to turn away first, you ripping out your steering wheel and throwing it out for me to see is a guaranteed way to force me to turn first and lose. This kind of stuff.

I guess it ties into the larger topic here in that you can avoid being held accountable if you remove the ability to make any choices yourself.

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