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Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by patchymcnoodles »

aquatica wrote: post #2

If you are connecting from an Italian ISP to https://mil04s43-in-f1.1e100.net you're going to be greeted by a message from AGCOM telling you the website has been used to spread copyrighted content. This already happened with a Cloudflare CDN before. https://community.cloudflare.com/t/blocking-of-my-website-vi... https://imgur.com/a/EKFHROX

I don't get that, and I'm connecting from the biggest italian provider TIM. I first get a warning from the browser because of the certificate. If I go forward I just get a 404. But maybe it changed in the last hours?

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by dylan604 »

drekipus wrote: post #55
leoedin wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can only speak for myself - but the convenience and relatively low cost of Netflix killed piracy for me. It wasn’t really a moral reason, or a fear of prosecution. But Netflix is truly easy, and the cost isn’t significant. Spotify did the same for music piracy. I just stopped bothering with files. I think as others have said, the increased balkanisation of the tv streaming world might change that.

Netflix has the worst quality and selection that I've seen. I'm about to pick up piracy again so I can watch good shows that I like

It does now. Back when it was the only streaming service and all of the different studio's content was on it, it was the best fight against piracy. Now that the streaming ecosystem is so fragmented requiring subscription upon subscription, Netflix' selection has atrophied to the realm of mediocrity with the occasional gem like every other studio out there.

I can absolutely see where piracy surges again as people fight back against the onslaught of YASS (yet another streaming service).

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by throwaway48476 »

izacus wrote: post #60
throwaway48476 wrote: post #45

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There was once a time people were able to host their own content.

Yeah, but HNers now demand that the hosters police and surveil the content of the customers they host for - even if they have no warrant or takedown requests from the governments. Which, obviously, leaves only the largest companies able to play the mercenary police.

The big companies found a way to centralize the decentralized internet.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by dylan604 »

lormayna wrote: post #23

The problem exists in Italy: criminal organizations sell a box (called "pezzotto") that connect to illegal streams (mainly sport events). But the law to block it was written in a very terrible way and this tool is even worst.

Pezzotto sounds like it would pair well with a nice chianti.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by johnnyanmac »

ruthmarx wrote: post #29
johnnyanmac wrote: post #12

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As long as the potential impact exists (and that impact can be huge), they have the time and money to do those takedowns

I don't think the impact has ever truly been huge, although it is almost always overstated.

It's huge enough risk that they still choose to invest in fighting it. Overstated or not in public, that's all that matters to a business.

I don't know why when it comes to piracy that suddenly we forget that companies have entire wings (or hire entire companies) dedicated to figuring out how much piracy is occurring and what's most profitable. Will it put them out of business to ignore it? Probably not. But clearly they determined it's cheaper to fight than let it go rampant.Even if "cheaper" means "give executives and shareholders peace of mind so they throw more money at them".

And for small businesses and projects it absolutely hurts them. It's not even worth much debate there. A few thousand sales can make or break a decision to keep supporting a small business compared to going back to a normal job. But they lack the funds to fight piracy so it's a damned of you do... Situation for those people.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by ruthmarx »

smallnix wrote: post #48
ruthmarx wrote: post #36

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It's wasted money though. They're literally just losing more money on whatever money they think they lost due to piracy.

Depends on where you fight it. Got it removed from most Google page 1's? -> probably worth it Trying to take down all torrents? -> probably not worth it

Google's been removing torrent links for years now.

People share these links in Discord, Reddit, Telegram etc - companies are not taking them down anytime soon. It's literally an unbeatable hydra.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

MacTea wrote: post #16
tourmalinetaco wrote: post #14

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They will happily boot legal websites off while defending animal torture and CSAM. I’ve made many reports to Cloudflare, Google, and the FBI when I come across said websites and so far I have yet to see any be even kicked off Google search let alone Cloudflare.

How do you "come across" animal torture and CSAM?

I won’t go too heavily into details, but I’ve had them come up with rather innocuous sets of words, ones that, horrifyingly, a young child would be likely to use. And if you include drawn media alongside photographic abuse material then it can be as simple as looking up characters from a cartoon.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by ruthmarx »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #65
ruthmarx wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the impact has ever truly been huge, although it is almost always overstated.

It's huge enough risk that they still choose to invest in fighting it. Overstated or not in public, that's all that matters to a business. I don't know why when it comes to piracy that suddenly we forget that companies have entire wings (or hire entire companies) dedicated to figuring out how much piracy is occurring and what's most profitable. Will it put them out of business to ignore it? Probably not. But clearly…

> It's huge enough risk that they still choose to invest in fighting it.

It's not a risk though. Movies still make over a billion dollars regularly. All it is is greed and ignorance.

> But clearly they determined it's cheaper to fight than let it go rampant.

This is due to poor decision making, like companies like Coke continuing to pay for advertising at the scale they do.

> And for small businesses and projects it absolutely hurts them. It's not even worth much debate there.

It doesn't hurt them like you might think. It's well established at this point that pirates are the group that spends the most on content, and also frequently leads to an increase in sales.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by Ekaros »

dylan604 wrote: post #62
drekipus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix has the worst quality and selection that I've seen. I'm about to pick up piracy again so I can watch good shows that I like

It does now. Back when it was the only streaming service and all of the different studio's content was on it, it was the best fight against piracy. Now that the streaming ecosystem is so fragmented requiring subscription upon subscription, Netflix' selection has atrophied to the realm of mediocrity with the occasional gem like every other studio out there. I can absolutely see where piracy surges again as people figh…

I think Gabe was entirely right, it is in the end service problem. And services can be wrong at multiple ways. For a moment video content got it right. But this was naturally unstable equilibrium. Free market capitalism is naturally greedy so everyone wants their own piece of the pie and not just give it away for someone else.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by aquatica »

patchymcnoodles wrote: post #61
aquatica wrote: post #2

If you are connecting from an Italian ISP to https://mil04s43-in-f1.1e100.net you're going to be greeted by a message from AGCOM telling you the website has been used to spread copyrighted content. This already happened with a Cloudflare CDN before. https://community.cloudflare.com/t/blocking-of-my-website-vi... https://imgur.com/a/EKFHROX

I don't get that, and I'm connecting from the biggest italian provider TIM. I first get a warning from the browser because of the certificate. If I go forward I just get a 404. But maybe it changed in the last hours?

TIM and WindTre have overridden the block, don't know about the other ISPs.
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