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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by jrflowers »

xvector wrote: post #47

My Tesla routinely tries to kill me on absolutely normal California roads in normal sunny conditions, especially when there are cars parked on the side of the road (it often brakes thinking I'm about to crash into them, or even swerves into them thinking that's the "real" lane). Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though.

> My Tesla routinely tries to kill me

> Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though.

It is very generous that you would selflessly sacrifice your own life so that others might one day enjoy Elon’s dream of robot taxis without steering wheels

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by CTDOCodebases »

botanical wrote: post #52

Only the US government can allow corporations to beta test unproven technology on the public. Governments should carry out comprehensive tests on a self-driving car's claimed capabilities. This is the same as cars without proven passenger safety (Euro NCAP) aren't allowed to be on roads carrying passengers.

Meh. Happens all around the world. Even if the product works there is no guarantee that it will be safe.

Asbestos products are a good example of this. A more recent one is Teflon made with PFOAs or engineered stone like Caesarstone.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by dzhiurgis »

botanical wrote: post #52

Only the US government can allow corporations to beta test unproven technology on the public. Governments should carry out comprehensive tests on a self-driving car's claimed capabilities. This is the same as cars without proven passenger safety (Euro NCAP) aren't allowed to be on roads carrying passengers.

If it takes 3 months to approve where steel rocket falls you might as well give up iterating something as complex as FSD.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by enragedcacti »

ivewonyoung wrote: post #39

> NHTSA said it was opening the inquiry after four reports of crashes where FSD was engaged during reduced roadway visibility like sun glare, fog, or airborne dust. A pedestrian was killed in Rimrock, Arizona, in November 2023 after being struck by a 2021 Tesla Model Y, NHTSA said. Another crash under investigation involved a reported injury > The probe covers 2016-2024 Model S and X vehicles with the optional system…

> making 4 report crashes and 1 reported fatality for 2.4 million vehicles over 8 years look miniscule by comparison, or even better than many human drivers.

This is exactly what people were saying about the NHTSA Autopilot investigation when it started back in 2021 with 11 reported incidents. When that investigation wrapped earlier this year it had identified 956 Autopilot related crashes between early 2018 and August 2023, 467 of which were confirmed the fault of autopilot and an inattentive driver.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by massysett »

jrflowers wrote: post #61
xvector wrote: post #47

My Tesla routinely tries to kill me on absolutely normal California roads in normal sunny conditions, especially when there are cars parked on the side of the road (it often brakes thinking I'm about to crash into them, or even swerves into them thinking that's the "real" lane). Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though.

> My Tesla routinely tries to kill me > Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though. It is very generous that you would selflessly sacrifice your own life so that others might one day enjoy Elon’s dream of robot taxis without steering wheels

Even more generous to selflessly sacrifice the lives and property of others that the vehicle "self-drives" itself into.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by Aeolun »

I love how the image in the article has a caption that says it tells you to pay attention to the road, but I had to zoom in all the way to figure out where that message actually was.

I’d expect something big and red with a warning triangle or something, but it’s a tiny white message in the center of the screen.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by seadan83 »

Kirby64 wrote: post #31
arcanemachiner wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is called "overdriving your vision", and it's so common that it boggles my mind. (This opinion might have something to do with the deer I hit when I first started driving...) Drive according to the conditions, folks.

On many roads if a deer jumps across the road at the wrong time there’s literally nothing you can do. You can’t always drive at 30mph on back country roads just because a deer might hop out at you.

World of difference between, 30, 40, 50 and 60. Feels like something I have noticed between west and east coast drivers. Latter really send it on country turns and just trust the road. West coast, particularly montana, when vision is reduced, speed slows down. Just too many animals or road obstacles (eg: rocks, planks of wood) to just trust the road.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by bckr »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #65
botanical wrote: post #52

Only the US government can allow corporations to beta test unproven technology on the public. Governments should carry out comprehensive tests on a self-driving car's claimed capabilities. This is the same as cars without proven passenger safety (Euro NCAP) aren't allowed to be on roads carrying passengers.

If it takes 3 months to approve where steel rocket falls you might as well give up iterating something as complex as FSD.

Drive it in larger and larger closed courses. Expand to neighboring areas with consent of the communities involved. Agree on limited conditions until enough data has been gathered to expand those conditions.
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