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Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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SoftTalker wrote: post #51

I don't really see how there can be any question that chaos, poverty, moving every year, constantly changing schools, multiple and changing "parent" figures, adults making poor choices over and over, no examples of deliberate planning and saving for the future, screws up kids. They learn that life is completely unpredictable, that opportunities for reward should be taken immediately because they will not be there lat…

I mean, maybe? They experience that life is completely unpredictable, sure. They learn whatever they are taught along with it.

Consider, life was far more unpredictable just a few hundred years ago. Literally stubbing your toe in the forest could go septic and then you were dead. Violently so. Bad harvests could happen with no forewarning at all.

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Post by Jerrrrrrry »

Lawrence Kohlberg's pyramid theory (stages of moral development) is flipped and chipped for these kids.

I would additionally posit the more "potential" the youth were given the perception of having, the dramatically worse the comparative results.

I can distinctly, acutely, remember sondering others' unobservable lives, long before I had any distinct sense of agency; comparing their actions against their words and little affects either had on outcomes.

So few times in my life that I have feared repercussions/punishment, it raises the question if its systematic to a group or just an individual anecdote.

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Post by Log_out_ »

bob_theslob646 wrote: post #5

"Moreover, a similar activation pattern related to lifetime ADHD may suggest that the impact of early life stress on ADHD may possibly be mediated by a dysfunctional reward pathway." What is a dysfunctional reward pathway?

Your mum has undiagnosed asperberger autism and shows zero emotions towards you besides constantly threatening you with religous terror because thats how god forces ruled on everybody. And thats all you ever expect from mankind.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #57
vintermann wrote: post #13

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This is not an allowed opinion in Western thought, regardless of its obviousness.

Psychiatry is the gift that keeps on giving. The strangest part of some of these mental diseases is how they're defined in terms of other people. You're ill because you fail to adapt to society.

They diagnose a person with attention defict because he can't tolerate the government's mass education system. Can't sit still and that disrupts class and gets the guy sent to the principal who calls their parents and refers them to a doctor who prescribes medications to make it stop. Before being medicated, that exact same person used to go home and write computer code nonstop. Ten hours straight, he is a machine.

There are organic causes for this, neurodevelopmental causes. There are treatments. But the truth is what everyone truly wants is to make the guy fit into society's mold. It's easier for them that way.

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Post by HPsquared »

throw88888 wrote: post #8
bob_theslob646 wrote: post #5

"Moreover, a similar activation pattern related to lifetime ADHD may suggest that the impact of early life stress on ADHD may possibly be mediated by a dysfunctional reward pathway." What is a dysfunctional reward pathway?

It is stated just above the quoted text. Basically a lower-than-expected response to reward anticipation and a higher-than-expected response upon reward delivery. I.e. the typical ADHD problem of instant vs delayed gratification and how the brain responds to it. Neurotypical people’s brains seem to be better at rewarding in anticipation and not just on actual delivery. IIUC

High time preference, in other words (economic terms)

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Post by HPsquared »

Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #59
_yb2s wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems this is a sort of trick our brains evolved to play on us that drives us to act- which makes sense. It is the anticipation of a reward that drives strong feelings and behaviors, but the reward itself is usually not as big of a deal- we work hard for something we expect to be great, but when it actually happens we barely notice and immediately move on to thinking about something else. If dopamine only happened…

"Ya get high before ya actually get high, once ya know ya got it"

The importance of ritual and routine.

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Post by austin-cheney »

squidgedcricket wrote: post #32
austin-cheney wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the utility behind that behavior is that the brain floods itself with dopamine when task completion feels imminently close in anticipation of the approaching reward. The flooding of dopamine, which is the motivation, does not suggest increased dopamine reception, which is the reward. That utility alone accounts for gambling addiction. Consider that slot machines are a game of random chance against fixed odds. Ev…

Can you elaborate on what medications impact gambling behaviors? I have some addictive/compulsive behaviors that have been hard to shake. GLP-1 agonists look promising, but I'm not sure how to get a prescription since I'm not overweight.

This article explains it well: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9825131/

My suggestion, and I am not doctor or providing medical advise, is to make the addictive stimulus inconvenient. Each iteration must include more steps to increase labor of effort and each iteration must also take much longer to complete. This will re-balance the brain from prior established condition. The more painful, disconnected, or costly (in time and not money) an activity becomes the more dedicated you must become about achieving that activity before addiction can set in.

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by austin-cheney »

bratwurst3000 wrote: post #54
austin-cheney wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the utility behind that behavior is that the brain floods itself with dopamine when task completion feels imminently close in anticipation of the approaching reward. The flooding of dopamine, which is the motivation, does not suggest increased dopamine reception, which is the reward. That utility alone accounts for gambling addiction. Consider that slot machines are a game of random chance against fixed odds. Ev…

could you tell me more about the medication. does it decrease dopamine production or does it increase reception?

Here is an article I found about this subject: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9825131/
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