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Re: My solar-powered and self-hosted website

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Agreed. When I see this type of thing, I am always turned off by people describing it as "greener" or “more sustainable”. Every small website having its own solar panel and hardware is not greener. People frequently think only of the carbon emissions of the energy used by the hardware once it's running, ignoring the carbon (and raw material) cost of building that hardware. Serving websites is an area where capitalism…

> Serving websites is an area where capitalism’s promise of achieving efficiency of resource utilization through economic incentives probably actually works, via shared hardware. Most of the environmental impact happens at the building of hardware, so putting even more websites in datacenter only increases environmental impact. All Capitalism has done here is completely forget that impact by telling you it's ok to do…

Agreed, that's a fair criticism. The whole mindset needs to shift to actually become sustainable, and the mindset shift is more likely to happen by self-hosting with used hardware than abstracting away hardware to a datacenter.

I think a more likely way of changing usage patterns is by actually pricing carbon cost into energy production and manufacturing via taxes. The costs of things are only so low because we are borrowing from the future. I don't think a mindset shift will happen under capitalism without the monetary cost of things increasing. And I don't think capitalism will change unless by collapsing, at which point we're too late anyway, and would come with much human suffering. I don't believe that capitalism is fundamentally broken, but I do believe that unchecked capitalism is. Regulation and taxes are required to manage its negative tendencies.

Re: My solar-powered and self-hosted website

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> Serving websites is an area where capitalism’s promise of achieving efficiency of resource utilization through economic incentives probably actually works, via shared hardware. Most of the environmental impact happens at the building of hardware, so putting even more websites in datacenter only increases environmental impact. All Capitalism has done here is completely forget that impact by telling you it's ok to do…

Agreed, that's a fair criticism. The whole mindset needs to shift to actually become sustainable, and the mindset shift is more likely to happen by self-hosting with used hardware than abstracting away hardware to a datacenter. I think a more likely way of changing usage patterns is by actually pricing carbon cost into energy production and manufacturing via taxes. The costs of things are only so low because we are b…

I still don't think capitalism will help in solving this issue, if only because putting a cost on the environment will always be fought against and never integrated: there is no interest in this. And I also don't think that a strong State will implement strong checks on capitalism, if only because States are inherently dominated by capitalist powers.

If we want to take it into consideration, we have to take the matter in our own hands, away from the State, away from capitalistic interests.

Re: My solar-powered and self-hosted website

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Cool project and I’d really like to try something similar with a 4G/5G connection so it doesn’t rely on site WiFi. I don’t think your cost comparison is fair between the rpi and hosting. I host my website on a £1/mo shared vps and for my energy costs that equivalent to running a low power server at home, ignoring all the other benefits of it being off-site.

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Re: My solar-powered and self-hosted website

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You can get self healing solar power if you grow bamboo and use the resulting charcoal for fuel. Carbon neutral I guess.

I bet using bamboo for power generation might be more clean that coal, especially if we turn the bamboo into coke first. Granted I doubt you could "farm" bamboo like trees or other plant. Given how fast section species of bamboo can grow, which is a big benefit in this hypothetical, you would probably need a ton of water and no matter how nutrient rich the soil is you'd probably deplete the soil after a few harvests.…

The resulting ash would contain the vast majority of the extracted minerals. Throw in some kitchen scraps to replenish nitrogen and you'd probably be self sustaining at a reasonable hobbyist scale.
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