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Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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is there an alternative mascot people could prefer? on a mascot rating puffy is easily the best imo... what could freebsd have? any ideas?

puffin or pangolin? puffin would have double benefit of being better than a penguin

and better looking :-)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=puffin&t=brave&iar=images&iax=imag...

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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> blatantly being unwelcoming to a lot of religious people. It's maybe a clever tactic to keep religious extremists away. >as a Christian I would say it is appropriate to refuse to do business with someone using such images Send from a Iphone ;)

> It's maybe a clever tactic to keep religious extremists away. Or a clever tactic to reduce diversity, because many diverse countries of the world are full of people who would be uncomfortable or wouldn't want to associate with such images, because of their culture and religion. > Send from a Iphone ;) Sent from Android, but besides the point. I've used FreeBSD and have tried to make it work for me. Unfortunately be…

> Or a clever tactic to reduce diversity

This is a difficult one to judge because, while the logo may keep some extremists away which, I agree, would reduce diversity, a policy of kowtowing to such extremists may keep more open-minded people away instead.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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I remember my wife describing the funny look she got from our "traditional" next door neighbor as she took the latest edition of the BSD journal out of the mailbox. Never went any further than that. But if you choose to use a literal hell-themed demon as your product's logo, don't be surprised if it limits your user base.

We used to have Demon internet in the UK. The local vicar told us proudly that he was using it and thought it was funny. Depends how backwards people are…

In England only about a fifth of the population believe in a literal devil. And the Anglican communion has never been of a literalist persuasion.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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> It is not the job of everyone else in the world to suspend their beliefs to sustain yours. If you have a business called "666 Flowers and Cakes" then a lot of Christians won't go there, and some might confront you about it. This isn't demanding or controlling thought, it's just freedom of association. Nobody's forcing FreeBSD to do anything, but I'm pointing out the logo is at odds with their code of conduct. The w…

I'd respectfully submit that Christians "confronting" me over what I decide to call my business is a fantastic example of someone trying to control the conduct and speech of others. There's a horrendous double standard around religion in our society, whereby religious people demanding things of others is always some beautiful instance of protected religious self expression, but any obligation on religious people to t…

Confronting you in good faith isn't forcing you. And you don't need to agree with someone's ethics systems to tolerate them.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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The FreeBSD Code of Conduct mentions being welcoming to people regardless of religion, but by using imagery that explicitly comes from religious depictions of evil in their logo they're blatantly being unwelcoming to a lot of religious people. Would they react differently (albeit more politely) if someone complained today, now the Code of Conduct exists, especially as 'fixing' this would require a full rebrand? I thi…

> The FreeBSD Code of Conduct mentions being welcoming to people regardless of religion, but by using imagery that explicitly comes from religious depictions of evil in their logo they're blatantly being unwelcoming to a lot of religious people. When you use the term "religion" here, are you referring to an immutable set of 'official' religions? If so, which religions are in the set? If it's not immutable, how does a…

I'm just reading what they wrote, and making as few assumptions as possible about their intent. Do you have a specific disagreement about my interpretation?

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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The FreeBSD Code of Conduct mentions being welcoming to people regardless of religion, but by using imagery that explicitly comes from religious depictions of evil in their logo they're blatantly being unwelcoming to a lot of religious people. Would they react differently (albeit more politely) if someone complained today, now the Code of Conduct exists, especially as 'fixing' this would require a full rebrand? I thi…

The hotel guest was certainly not right to complain. There are people - often religious - who have a funny definition of "welcoming" which comes perilously close to "either believe as I do, or at least have the decency to pretend that you do in public." Shucks to that. The guest is demanding that others sacrifice their own integrity to stroke her ego, and placate her obviously fragile beliefs. It is not the job of ev…

FYI, FreeBSD did rename their "master" branch to "main" on GitHub.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's maybe a clever tactic to keep religious extremists away. Or a clever tactic to reduce diversity, because many diverse countries of the world are full of people who would be uncomfortable or wouldn't want to associate with such images, because of their culture and religion. > Send from a Iphone ;) Sent from Android, but besides the point. I've used FreeBSD and have tried to make it work for me. Unfortunately be…

> Or a clever tactic to reduce diversity This is a difficult one to judge because, while the logo may keep some extremists away which, I agree, would reduce diversity, a policy of kowtowing to such extremists may keep more open-minded people away instead.

Careful reading you'll see I'm not asking for diversity for extremists.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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is there an alternative mascot people could prefer? on a mascot rating puffy is easily the best imo... what could freebsd have? any ideas?

If only there were a universally recognized icon that represented the Universal Declaration of Human Rights... seems to me, that would be a good logo to use for an operating system dedicated to freedom and collective competence.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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is there an alternative mascot people could prefer? on a mascot rating puffy is easily the best imo... what could freebsd have? any ideas?

puffin or pangolin? puffin would have double benefit of being better than a penguin

There is already a project with that mascot (PrestaShop):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computing_mascots

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