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Cassie LaBelle: "eBay completely destroyed my life"

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Re: Cassie LaBelle: "eBay completely destroyed my life"

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So this is basically a result of the DEA forcing eBay to enforce a ban on pill presses for them? I hate how the government has basically been deputizing internet companies to enforce laws and regulations for them. If the DEA had done this themselves you could appeal it, ask your congressperson for help, or take them to court, but as long as their actions get laundered through a private company, the rights of the affe…

I agree consumers should have better recourse - but its absence is just another way online platforms maximize their profit, and taxpayer-funded policing their platforms for them would only exacerbate that.

How is it any good for eBay? They lost someone who made a lot of money for them.

These crazy human hostile implementations of various regulations are a net loss for big businesses.

eBay is doing what nowadays all big fucking corps do, shit on UX and gut punch actual users in the name of compliance.

You got a few hundred dollars from your friend on your Venmo/Revolut/Wise/whatever app and our AML/KYC/CYA/compliance department flagged it? Okay, instantly block your account, tell the users nothing, and demand that they submit paperwork proving who they are, where's the money from, what's the purpose of the transfer, etc... in the most fucked up adversarial byzantine way possible.

The problem is that there's no sane way for these companies to do the good cop / bad cop transition. This is a pure chilling effect on this kind of economic activity.

Banks and these money middlemen ought to be our agents (broker! mediator!) instead they are turned into paranoid bureaucrats resembling the idiots at the NRC (NRC is the nuclear regulatory commission, where the prevailing doctrine is to get risks as low as possible - ALARA, which led to nuclear energy priced out of the fucking market).

Re: Cassie LaBelle: "eBay completely destroyed my life"

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"Don't build your castle on someone else's land"

We bailed out of ebay 17 years ago: they changed to "buyer need not pay" and one person took us for $1,000+ of stuff.

Never saw a sign they were getting better; it has looked like they're preying on sellers to me, ever since.

Re: Cassie LaBelle: "eBay completely destroyed my life"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's regulated as part of the illicit drug supply chain. you can own a pill press just as you can a firearm, as long as you register it and follow the rules.

Reminds how back in USSR you had to register typewriters - each country has its own fears. I wonder though what is so special about pill press - as far as i see any press, manual or mechanized, can be used to press pills. Does it mean that all presses should be registered? Also reminds how back then, when i was relatively new to the US, veterinary giving me a syringe instructed me to put it into a pocket to make sure…

I'm likewise confused. It seems like you could machine something more effective in about an hour out of a hydraulic shop press and some steel, and it's not like drug users are averse to buying drugs in bags. Also, as far as I know, gelatin capsules are perfectly legal in the US.

Re: Cassie LaBelle: "eBay completely destroyed my life"

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While I completely disagree with a full ban for selling a antique pill press I also disagree with selling an antique pill press. Donate that to a museum of medical history or something instead of trying to profit from an antique pill press. You don't know who you are selling it to and you can't trust who you are selling it to via eBay (pill presses are restricted on eBay antique or not) isn't going to divert that to someone who is going to attempt to try to use it for illicit means.

Re: Cassie LaBelle: "eBay completely destroyed my life"

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I don't know if there are comments or not since I don't have a Twitter... but did she get banned because that's a pill press? Is it a pill press, I'm only guessing.

"eBay to Pay $59 Million to Settle Controlled Substances Act Allegations Related to Pill Presses Sold Through Its Website" https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2024/02/01/ebay-pay-59-mi... Just to be clear, I'm not saying this justifies the response. I'm just clarifying what may have prompted this serious over-reaction by ebay.

Ooh substances - scary stuff. Must be very dangerous to allow selling a thing that could be made with any CNC router out of scrap, so let's also ban CNC routers.. eventually, let's ban hands as they can be used to do stuff. /s

Re: Cassie LaBelle: "eBay completely destroyed my life"

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Had my listing for a copy of "The Anarchists Cookbook" flaged,and it was persistant,and could not completely remove my offence. And the pill press thing is stupid,vile,virtue signalling,when you factor in "purdue pharmasutical" oxycontin (ongoing fer phucks sake) debackle,blarg Another thing with ebay is that for a new seller they hide the process to get paid,untill you make a sale,and then demand that you sign into…

I'm sorry, but your post is so hard to read with this formatting where you seem to refuse to put spaces after commas.

I'm sure you are saying something mostly relevant here but please; for people's perception of your intelligence sake and the accessibility of people trying to understand you, format better.

Re: Cassie LaBelle: "eBay completely destroyed my life"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"eBay to Pay $59 Million to Settle Controlled Substances Act Allegations Related to Pill Presses Sold Through Its Website" https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2024/02/01/ebay-pay-59-mi... Just to be clear, I'm not saying this justifies the response. I'm just clarifying what may have prompted this serious over-reaction by ebay.

pill press is a pill press... antique and broken does not mean it can not still be fixed. So, yes. I see the point of eBay too. But reading the messages, I am confused it the listing got removed or not. She got several temporary bans for the same listing, and never listed it again; so I can only assume it was closed (not removed?).

> “pill press is a pill press... antique and broken does not mean it can not still be fixed.”

This is valid reason for enforcement of the rule.

What’s at issue, in all of these cases, is the lack of reasonable judgement of the case (appeal).

eBay’s place in the market (different from, say, Amazon or Walmart) is private sellers selling used items, vintage, collectible, rare, antique. This is exactly what this item is.

No average person would ever conceive of the item as itself being dangerous or harmful (like a gun or brass knuckles).

Whats more, no one would object to selling this antique on eBay to, say, a pharmacy to sit as decoration on a shelf.

On the face of it, it seem unlikely an impartial judge would rule the seller was not a good member of the EBay community, and deserves a restoration of their privileges.

Re: Cassie LaBelle: "eBay completely destroyed my life"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's regulated as part of the illicit drug supply chain. you can own a pill press just as you can a firearm, as long as you register it and follow the rules.

Cars, trousers and water are also part of that supply chain. The issue is that governments or rather politicians then to take moral panics as an opportunity to simulate activity to the people who elect them often choosing targets that cannot push back over actual utility. The argument is that regulating these kinds of "parts of the supply chain" is completely nonsensical and a waste of every-bodies time.

Lots of information about car ownership and usage is tracked by the government.

Re: Cassie LaBelle: "eBay completely destroyed my life"

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post #61
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree consumers should have better recourse - but its absence is just another way online platforms maximize their profit, and taxpayer-funded policing their platforms for them would only exacerbate that.

How is it any good for eBay? They lost someone who made a lot of money for them. These crazy human hostile implementations of various regulations are a net loss for big businesses. eBay is doing what nowadays all big fucking corps do, shit on UX and gut punch actual users in the name of compliance. You got a few hundred dollars from your friend on your Venmo/Revolut/Wise/whatever app and our AML/KYC/CYA/compliance de…

The R in ALARA is reasonably.
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