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HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by monero-xmr »

staplers wrote: post #25
adastra22 wrote: post #12

Absolutely insane. (1) It's not Peter Todd. Anyone who knows Peter Todd and/or was around in the early days, can clearly tell Satoshi and Peter are not the same person. (2) No good comes from speculation over the identity of Satoshi. When someone living is named, their life becomes absolute hell and the security risk imposed on them is very real. When someone dead is proposed, that hellish experience is passed to the…

It's incredibly dangerous of these "journalists". Putting targets on people's back as well as possibly being slander. Any bitcoin oldheads know it's not Peter Todd based on tons of behavioral, timestamped, and logistical evidence. The actual leading candidate is Len Sassaman if you look objectively at the evidence.

It's definitely Hal Finney. The fact that Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto lived a few minutes away from him, and Hal was a marathon runner who could have easily seen his mailbox, and also that Satoshi disappeared when Hal's ALS became overwhelming, is all the evidence you need.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by real_satoshi »

ryandvm wrote: post #15

The obvious answer is Satoshi Nakamoto is functionally dead. His wallet would be worth around $70 billion dollars today and he hasn't touched it in over a decade. Either he is A) dead, B) lost the wallet and wishes he were dead, or C) has achieved such spiritual enlightenment that has no interest in the personal or societal impact that $70 billion dollars could have. He is not coming back folks, and even if we figure…

Much like Elon Musk couldn't liquidate his stocks and wind up a billionaire, my bitcoin is nowhere nearly worth $70B. I won't tell you my estimate, but I will say that it's quite modest by comparison.

Do you think the world really has $70B in cash to blow on bitcoin right now? Big players mine the stuff, they don't buy it.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by scarab92 »

adastra22 wrote: post #12

Absolutely insane. (1) It's not Peter Todd. Anyone who knows Peter Todd and/or was around in the early days, can clearly tell Satoshi and Peter are not the same person. (2) No good comes from speculation over the identity of Satoshi. When someone living is named, their life becomes absolute hell and the security risk imposed on them is very real. When someone dead is proposed, that hellish experience is passed to the…

Just another reminder that journalists aren’t experts in any domain other than journalism.

Stop looking to them for credible analysis.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by jawiggins »

Just finished watching the doc on HBO.

The key piece of evidence seems to be this comment from Peter Todd: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2181.msg28739#msg287...

It stands out to the producers because: 1) Peter makes it just after joining the form, so he is unlikely to have detailed knowledge of bitcoin. 2) He seems to be finishing Satoshi's thought, as though he returned to an earlier post forgetting which account he was signed into. 3) The post happens just before Satoshi disappears and Peter leaves for a few years.

The doc also features many scenes with Peter and Adam Back where their eyes kind of shift around and they laugh awkwardly when asked about certain things. Since the doc it seems that Peter has taken to twitter to say he was mislead about the purpose of the interviews.

I've always kind of thought that Satoshi was probably one person who built it all in isolation, and I never played much attention to theories that Satoshi was actually multiple people. After watching the doc it does seem like Adam and Peter know a good deal more than they are letting on, even if they aren't behind it all, it seems likely that they have some idea who it was.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by Terr_ »

jeremiahbuckley wrote: post #23
IncreasePosts wrote: post #5

I'm honestly surprised that all of the alleged satoshis haven't been kid napped by armed gangs trying to get the billions locked up in the first mined blocks.

Would be a pretty amusing black comedy. They kidnap the potential Satoshi, who is actually Satoshi but they’re not sure. [hijinx added here]. Then in the process of torturing him, they accidentally kill him before he reveals the password. And then it’s confirmed he’s who they wanted.

"Where is the money, Lebowski!? Or should I say Satoshi!"

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Post by duxup »

kadoban wrote: post #46
duxup wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most kidnappings seem to involve kidnapping people who do in fact have the resources to pay to some extent. They don’t seem to occur in a speculative fashion where “maybe this person can pay…”. Anyone who knows, knows the coins haven’t been touched in a suspiciously long time, and moving Bitcoin is not always anonymous…

> They don’t seem to occur in a speculative fashion where “maybe this person can pay…”. For potentially tens of billions of dollars, I'm willing to bet that some criminals would make an exception.

They haven’t yet.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by throw161024 »

startupsfail wrote: post #33
yboris wrote: post #20

Headline: ‘I am not Satoshi Nakamoto’: Subject of HBO documentary denies he invented bitcoin https://lite.cnn.com/2024/10/08/investing/satoshi-nakamoto-i...

Is there anything positive at all in the Crypto industry? CO2 emissions, fraud, attacking democracy is on the negative side. What’s on the positive? Why is it still legal? It feels like Crypto at the systemic level is an open vulnerability not an asset. It’d be nice to have this vulnerability to get fixed.

For me, it's the ability to send money to or receive money from anyone, anywhere, without the government's or bank approval.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by im3w1l »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #9
nomilk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ditto. Even if the probability is 1/100, assuming they have at least $1bn net worth, that's a $10m expected payoff.

Expected value doesn't really work for rare events. A 1% chance of $50M and a 1% chance of $2B are barely different to a person.

For a person it doesn't matter. But the context here is gangs, and for organizations it could make a difference. $2B can be split many-ways and still have significant money for everyone.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by jawiggins »

Just finished watching the doc on HBO.

The key piece of evidence seems to be this comment from Peter Todd: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2181.msg28739#msg287...

It stands out to the producers because: 1) Peter makes it just after joining the form, so he is unlikely to have detailed knowledge of bitcoin. 2) He seems to be finishing Satoshi's thought, as though he returned to an earlier post forgetting which account he was signed into. 3) The post happens just before Satoshi disappears and Peter leaves for a few years.

The doc also features many scenes with Peter and Adam Back where their eyes kind of shift around and they laugh awkwardly when asked about certain things. Since the doc it seems that Peter has taken to twitter to say he was mislead about the purpose of the interviews.

I've always kind of thought that Satoshi was probably one person who built it all in isolation, and I never played much attention to theories that Satoshi was actually multiple people. After watching the doc it does seem like Adam and Peter know a good deal more than they are letting on, even if it wasn't them specifically, it seems likely that they have some idea who it was.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by kyledrake »

I spent quite a bit of time with Peter Todd in the very early Bitcoin days. I really enjoyed our conversations back then, I have no idea what he is up to now. My gut feeling is that he is probably not Satoshi Nakamoto. Adam Back is a far more likely suspect, particularly for his British english, which Satoshi wrote in.
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