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End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by jasonvorhe »

mullingitover wrote: post #20
quantadev wrote: post #9

Never hitch your wagon to somebody else's horse. Entire companies have been destroyed because they rely on Amazon, Google, or some other service, and then have the rug pulled. Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints. My rule of thumb is: Only use open source components, and only run my stuff on Linux. So that way I maintain full control over my stack,…

> Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints. Ok, I'll ask: what company did Amazon destroy for having the wrong political viewpoint? AWS hosts some pretty vile stuff without blinking. The last time a company made a big "woe is me, my ideas are being suppressed" claim against Amazon, it was Parler, and they weren't kicked off for their viewpoints. They w…

They quickly kicked off WikiLeaks under political pressure.

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by kasey_junk »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #44
SoftTalker wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you can't afford the new audit requirements ... then I'd really question your ability to appropriately safeguard so much critically private data. Because large companies that can afford it have proven to be exemplars at safeguarding private data?

Like google? Yes, I think so. Probably one of the best track records among big tech, so maybe their security practices should carry more weight?

They aren’t demanding you meet their practices. They are demanding you meet whatever the approved auditor thinks the practices are.

Certification schemes like that don’t have a good track record.

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #46
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #24

I wrote this response to another front page HN article on a similar topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41664753 I know everyone loves to dunk on Google, and I definitely agree their communication and customer service to app developers is shite, but this change to permissions scope is a good thing. If you have full, unfettered access to large number of people's Google Drive data, you're a huge target for male…

Google's not my dad. It's not their responsibility (or their place) to audit every piece of software I use to interact with their services. I'm tired of being treated like a child who needs every sharp corner ground down for my safety. Edit: Next logical step is auditing every IMAP client before you can connect it to Gmail. Ridiculous.

You say that, but I've been in plenty of situations where people say they're comfortable taking on the risk themselves, but then when shit blows up, they come and blame the biggest actor (with the biggest pockets) they can. I mean, just check out some sob stories that made the front pages of NYT and Washington Post when people got scammed out of a lot of crypto money - I've read a bunch of those and always the first thing I think is "lord, there is no way these people should have had a dime in crypto in the first place", but then when they lose their money they're the first to blame everyone else but themselves.

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by adamc »

dewey wrote: post #10

Even the "audit" they require for increasing something simple as your YouTube API quota is already annoying and a massive waste of time, and this is not even close to the one they are requiring from Panic. The quota increase process is roughly: 1) Fill out the same form every year from scratch 2) Send it into the black hole that's Google "support" 3) A few weeks later receive a reply from someone asking a irrelevant…

Just another reason to not deal with Google. Eventually, gravity is going to catch up with them, and they will never recover, because their business culture is shit. Zero interest or focus on the customers.

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by Lerc »

indymike wrote: post #56
Jyaif wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The fastest path to wealth is the construction of these digital platforms, where other people depend on you." - Eric Schmidt. Many products leads at Google seem to disagree!

Depends. Build it, get dependent developers, start charging dependent developers, ????, profit.

...Try and launch a new platform, Nobody trusts you, Platform Dies, Loss?

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by thelittleone »

quantadev wrote: post #9

Never hitch your wagon to somebody else's horse. Entire companies have been destroyed because they rely on Amazon, Google, or some other service, and then have the rug pulled. Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints. My rule of thumb is: Only use open source components, and only run my stuff on Linux. So that way I maintain full control over my stack,…

Worth mentioning Stripe among the destroyers. Sure a percentage of those who complain on r/stripe are breaking ToS, but it's evident that a substantial % are not. Stripe ToS allows them to profit from investing held funds. Once funds are held, nobody at Stripe responds. Has taken years for some to get their funds returned. I wonder how much funds they have on hold at any one time and how much they're making on it.

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by dreadlordbone »

StarterPro wrote: post #34
ianlevesque wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's relevant that Transmit is a local native app . There's no hosted app exposed to the internet to hack here. Google made one lengthy process that doesn't fit this use case.

If they are connecting to Google Drive, is that not connected to the internet?

Everything's connected to the internet, what the OP was talking about was attack vectors and since Transmit is a local app it really isn't one unless your whole machine is compromised, which in that case you're screwed.

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by madeofpalk »

kurisufag wrote: post #31
mullingitover wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints. Ok, I'll ask: what company did Amazon destroy for having the wrong political viewpoint? AWS hosts some pretty vile stuff without blinking. The last time a company made a big "woe is me, my ideas are being suppressed" claim against Amazon, it was Parler, and they weren't kicked off for their viewpoints. They w…

never forget that Old Cloudflare kept lulzsec's site up /while they were defacing .gov pages/, then gave a talk at DEF CON about how they managed it. we can have better standards for speech and platforming than "you didn't moderate enough".

Cloudflare is AWS?

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #61
mullingitover wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sometimes companies have even been destroyed, notably by Amazon, for having the wrong political viewpoints. Ok, I'll ask: what company did Amazon destroy for having the wrong political viewpoint? AWS hosts some pretty vile stuff without blinking. The last time a company made a big "woe is me, my ideas are being suppressed" claim against Amazon, it was Parler, and they weren't kicked off for their viewpoints. They w…

They quickly kicked off WikiLeaks under political pressure.

AWS’s stated reasons seem pretty sound to me: https://aws.amazon.com/message/65348/

Re: End of the road for Google Drive in Transmit

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Post by adamc »

imhoguy wrote: post #51

As per mentioned Ghisler page: "The security assessment would have to be performed by a specialized company, and costs up to $75'000 per year and program (so $150'000 for 32bit+64-bit). This is not sustainable even with a subscription." [0] This is death kiss to indie developement. But paradoxically it is great. Killing interoperability is nail to coffin. This brings more and more focus to alternative solutions out o…

Yep. I use drive but keep waiting for some clear alternative to arrive. My biggest use is just keeping D&D campaign-related materials there.

Google is a drag.

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