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Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Post by _huayra_ »

quantified wrote: post #52
joe_the_user wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why having an LLM use my output in particular is problematic - I'm pretty sure OpenAI trained GPT-3+ on every single bit of data they could find, so they probably included a bunch of stuff I've written here already (though it is minuscule fraction of their vast corpus of course). Losing anonymity is something I'd be much more worried about overall (not that it's entirely separate I don't think it's the s…

I was served a youtube ad for a service that will let you pick a topic to write an ebook on, write the book for you, give it a layout design and a cover, then you can market it. A bunch of topics available. I find this to be gross. Look for an explosion of crap on Amazon bookshelves. Do you want me to publish 12-15 different ebooks containing the content you actually worked to create, and it just found permutations f…

> Do you want me to publish 12-15 different ebooks

Just make sure you spread it out over a few days and you're all good: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/ai-ge...

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Post by moron4hire »

SirMaster wrote: post #47
moron4hire wrote: post #33

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It's not possible to not play. Even if I chose to avoid social media, my kids' school insists everyone interest with their teachers through some crappy branded app. Read the TOS. Didn't like what I saw. Told them I didn't want to install an app on my phone. Asked nicely if there was some way I could participate without it. They acted like I beat my kids.

Sure it is, you can homeschool for example.

No thanks, don't want to put my kids through my childhood

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Post by yazzku »

> hundreds of thousands of Instagram users posted a block of text to their accounts hoping to avoid the plague of artificial intelligence online. [...] “I do not give Meta or anyone else permission to use any of my personal data, profile information or photos.”

Actually, you did. What you didn't do is read the fucking terms of service.

But sarcasm aside, it is a general failure of the system that things have gotten to this point. The amount of naivete like is seen above is tremendous, yet somehow we and everyone who understands this crap have failed to deliver the memo.

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Post by _heimdall »

csallen wrote: post #56
rpgwaiter wrote: post #23

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There’s many good reasons, but for me it’s that I don’t want companies profiting off of my posts that have no intention of profit sharing. When I make a Youtube video and companies run ads on it, I get a piece of that pie (assuming I meet the requirements, etc.). That same video fed into Gemini so google can charge for AI video generation? I get nothing, Google makes bank. As a user I can pay for YouTube premium and…

> I don’t want companies profiting off of my posts I despise this attitude. It's so entitled. Our history of forever extending copyrights and protecting "intellectual property" has run amok, to the point where the average person thinks their scribbles, utterings, and ideas are valuable enough on their own to be worthy of a pay day. It's the culture of " My cut, my cut, my cut!" Someone else profiting is not a tragedy…

> You know what? If you want to profit, do something to create value. Write a book. Start a paid newsletter. Create a startup. Put on a show and charge admission. Nobody is stopping you.

I believe that the GP's complaint is that their content online is actually being scraped and turned into value for companies, they would want compensation for it.

I'm personally of two minds on this, posting public content online includes no guard rails for how its used. I also disagree strongly with LLM companies throwing mountains of resources at scraping the web though, if nothing else it feels very much like a monopolistic play leveraging massive power in those resources to create a competitive edge that other players couldn't compete with.

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Post by _heimdall »

moron4hire wrote: post #62
SirMaster wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure it is, you can homeschool for example.

No thanks, don't want to put my kids through my childhood

Assuming you were homeschooled and it went poorly for you, was your takeaway that it could never be done well? What did you find that makes homeschooling always worse than trusting the local, likely poorly paid and appreciated, state educators?

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Post by johngladtj »

csallen wrote: post #56
rpgwaiter wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s many good reasons, but for me it’s that I don’t want companies profiting off of my posts that have no intention of profit sharing. When I make a Youtube video and companies run ads on it, I get a piece of that pie (assuming I meet the requirements, etc.). That same video fed into Gemini so google can charge for AI video generation? I get nothing, Google makes bank. As a user I can pay for YouTube premium and…

> I don’t want companies profiting off of my posts I despise this attitude. It's so entitled. Our history of forever extending copyrights and protecting "intellectual property" has run amok, to the point where the average person thinks their scribbles, utterings, and ideas are valuable enough on their own to be worthy of a pay day. It's the culture of " My cut, my cut, my cut!" Someone else profiting is not a tragedy…

I couldn't have put it better myself.

If you don't want others to use what you say to make money... Shut up.

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Post by 7bit »

SirMaster wrote: post #47
moron4hire wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not possible to not play. Even if I chose to avoid social media, my kids' school insists everyone interest with their teachers through some crappy branded app. Read the TOS. Didn't like what I saw. Told them I didn't want to install an app on my phone. Asked nicely if there was some way I could participate without it. They acted like I beat my kids.

Sure it is, you can homeschool for example.

Americans and their home schooling

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Post by afiori »

gruez wrote: post #50
rpgwaiter wrote: post #49

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I would happily pay a reasonable monthly subscription to this site or similar. No problem paying for a service that treats users with respect. Also using this site has taught me all sorts of things that likely made me some money indirectly. It seems mutually beneficial without selling my data or paying for HN. That said, if YC made a deal with some tech company to give them the firehose of data to train AI, I’d proba…

Right, but are you objecting to AI training because companies are benefiting while you're being uncompensated, or think AI training is fundamentally bad? Your previous comment suggests it's the former, but by the same logic you shouldn't comment online either, because that also benefits the company and is uncompensated.

They already said that they believe commenting here has been mutually beneficial but anyway this is a false dichothomy, one could be neutral on AI in general but feel negative towards training proprietary privacy-invasive AI models that will for sure be used to make their content creation less relevant.

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Post by Dylan16807 »

_heimdall wrote: post #64
csallen wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t want companies profiting off of my posts I despise this attitude. It's so entitled. Our history of forever extending copyrights and protecting "intellectual property" has run amok, to the point where the average person thinks their scribbles, utterings, and ideas are valuable enough on their own to be worthy of a pay day. It's the culture of " My cut, my cut, my cut!" Someone else profiting is not a tragedy…

> You know what? If you want to profit, do something to create value. Write a book. Start a paid newsletter. Create a startup. Put on a show and charge admission. Nobody is stopping you. I believe that the GP's complaint is that their content online is actually being scraped and turned into value for companies, they would want compensation for it. I'm personally of two minds on this, posting public content online inc…

> I believe that the GP's complaint is that their content online is actually being scraped and turned into value for companies, they would want compensation for it.

And the comment directly addresses that. If someone creates a valuable thing and it has a minuscule pinch of your content inside it, you shouldn't be complaining or demanding payment. That's how participating in culture is supposed to work. When someone copies you orders of magnitude more directly, that's when you should be compensated or have control over it.

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Post by chrisjj »

rpgwaiter wrote: post #38
chrisjj wrote: post #29

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> 4. I do not click or read any articles with AI-generated images or text. How can you possibly know the articles you read have no AI-generated images or text?

Not OP, but it’s extremely easy to tell if an article uses AI images. Are there vague images padding the article for SEO purposes? If so, is there attribution to an artist? If they contain images and don’t attribute, I avoid the website. Either they use AI to make SEO bait, or they steal artwork. I’ll avoid in either case. AI text is much harder to detect, not sure of a good way to avoid it at the moment.

> If they contain images and don’t attribute, I avoid the website.

And if the images have AI-generated attributions?

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