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Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Kingma is most notable for writing one of the most cited papers in AI. Actually one of the most cited scientific papers ever published, right up there with the transformers paper if not higher. "Adam: A Method for Stochastic Optimization" https://arxiv.org/abs/1412.6980 I remain astonished that Adam continues to be the most widely used optimizer in AI 10 years later. So many contenders have failed to replace it.

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Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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> This barely-disguised contempt for what should likely be their most valuable power-user base suggests Yikes. I am a long time Mozilla supporter, active user of Firefox since before it was Firefox, and former Mozilla employee, but this comment is pretty crazy. Firefox is well below 3% market share, and is essentially a niche browser at this point - it sucks when I run into sites and services that aren't supported by…

Firefox is going to be massively disproportionately more popular among LLM users, the issue has been happening to people for over half a year, the error message is terribly misleading, and from a CS POV, it should be relatively easy to flag and route customers around the known issue. I’m not salty just because they don’t support the browser; you’re totally right that that’d be an unreasonable take, but it’s not the o…

> Firefox is going to be massively disproportionately more popular among LLM users

Source for this claim?

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Seems to me that the only difference between Anthropic and OpenAI is that Anthropic was for-profit from day one and OpenAI is from day yesterday. I pay for both, and pretty sure they will do everything they can to take as much money from me that they can get away with. This shouldnt be news.

What if your city police force or volunteer firemen switched to for-profit? I think that is the crux of the matter.

It depends on what would actually change.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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> Anthropic’s CEO, Dario Amodei, was once the VP of research at OpenAI, and reportedly split with the firm after a disagreement over OpenAI’s roadmap — namely its growing commercial focus. So he's now the CEO of Anthropic, a company selling AI services? Claude is amazing, and we use it's Teams plan here at the office extensively (having switched from ChatGPT since Claude is vastly better at technical material and adc…

I don't think it's odd.

* Acting in accordance with declared motivations is a demonstration of integrity.

* Acting towards hidden motivations that oppose your declared motivations is deceptive action.

Honest people don't want to lead and be responsible for deceptive action, even if the action is desirable.

For these types of people, it is often better to leave a place that requires them to active deceptively in favor of one that will let them operate with integrity.

Even if the end goal is the same, eg: to make money.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Kingma is most notable for writing one of the most cited papers in AI. Actually one of the most cited scientific papers ever published, right up there with the transformers paper if not higher. "Adam: A Method for Stochastic Optimization" https://arxiv.org/abs/1412.6980 I remain astonished that Adam continues to be the most widely used optimizer in AI 10 years later. So many contenders have failed to replace it.

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That's an architecture, not an optimizer. You can probably use ADAM with KANs. I think you latched on to the transformers in the sentence, but Kingma did not invent those.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Kingma is most notable for writing one of the most cited papers in AI. Actually one of the most cited scientific papers ever published, right up there with the transformers paper if not higher. "Adam: A Method for Stochastic Optimization" https://arxiv.org/abs/1412.6980 I remain astonished that Adam continues to be the most widely used optimizer in AI 10 years later. So many contenders have failed to replace it.

In my opinion, he is more notable for inventing a variational autoencoder.

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> Shame they're already for-profit... But don't worry, they Pinky Promise to be For The Public Benefit :) Anthropic is legally a Delaware Public Benefit corporation so it's written into their corporate governance. How effective that governance will be at balancing the public benefit with profit remains to be seen, but it's a lot more than just a pinky promise.

Thanks for the correction! I was mixing up "Public Benefit Corporation", which is a legal offering by state governments, and "B-Corp", which is a non-profit that certifies wholesome for-profit firms like the Tillamook Dairy Cooperative. I'd stand by the general assertion that it's little more than a pinky promise because they merely have to "balance" the concerns according to "any reasonable person"--an extremely wea…

Yes, this is the real legal accomplishment of B-Corps!

By law and precedent a C-Corp’s only obligation is to shareholders, thanks to a case from almost a century ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.#:~:t....

A B-Corp was the first and somewhat successful attempt to create a legal framework where company executives are allowed to work on behalf of all their stakeholders without it creating an automatic basis for a suit.

Generally, people who care very deeply about a thing bring a higher ethical standard than any regulatory body can impose.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Anthropic is a joke of a company. They have all these heavyweight hires, but they make logins so difficult for the user that no chat user in their sane mind would want to use Anthropic. It's as if Anthropic doesn't actually want people using their service. They routinely keep logging me out, also always making me wait for an email confirmation code just to login every time, and it's sickening. They also promise API c…

My experience has been opposite. I'm using the API. I hit usage tier limits so sent them a request to upgrade my tier. Heard back within an hour and upgraded to the highest tier. I had another request also which was answered same day.

That's good but my complaint is not about the API at all. It is more foundational in that most people would want to use the API (for applications) only if the web chat works well for them, which it doesn't.

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My tip would be to use openai instead. There's an arms race. Openai was ahead. Then anthropic was ahead. Now gpt4o and o1 are better again. This may change in a few months. I'll miss the projects feature though.

Gpt4o and o1 are absolutely not better at coding than Claude. They're noticeably worse at following complex, detailed prompts (e.g. a detailed prompt for it to create an application), and often forget details during the conversation (e.g. will revert to an old version of some code it already refactored). o1 is better than Claude for Leetcode hard style coding problems, but the majority of coding work isn't about that…

I write a lot of code with both in multiple languages. o1 is astronomically better than Claude. It's not even a competition.

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What if your city police force or volunteer firemen switched to for-profit? I think that is the crux of the matter.

The US is unique in how many public services it has. Other countries have private firefighter services; that just means the city has a contract with them. It doesn't mean they burn your house down and charge you for it.

maybe a better analogy would be:

People set up and fund a public bus system that has coverage for all neighborhoods, rich or poor, distant or close.

And then after the bus system is up and running, the bus system manager decides transportation is important! He IPOs the bus system, and changes all the routes to money-making routes with cost optimized (higher) fares.

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