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Who is Marcellus Williams: Execution in Missouri despite evidence of innocence

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Re: Who is Marcellus Williams: Execution in Missouri despite evidence of innocence

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Does anyone find it deeply disturbing that the justice system will just sit on its own hands when presented with new evidence? It seems like prosecutors are more interested in maintaining a hi conviction rate rather than seeking justice. Judges seem totally apathetic.

> when presented with new evidence?

They weren't, for the record.

Re: Who is Marcellus Williams: Execution in Missouri despite evidence of innocence

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I cannot help but wonder if his race had something do with the outcome :( The US Supreme Court denied a stay, with 3 liberal justices saying they would have stopped the execution. Thus my comment.

I haven't read anything about the Supreme Court's decision, but did they dissent on the grounds that they believed he was innocent, or that capital punishment shouldn't be allowed (and not comment on his guilt)?

IIRC, they declined to hear the case.

https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/09/supreme-court-allows-marc...

Re: Who is Marcellus Williams: Execution in Missouri despite evidence of innocence

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I am… not sure that the successive versions of the ancient Roman society are a thing to emulate. Though I can see how a society in a state of constant warfare for centuries and utterly dominated by an oligarchy completely divorced from reality could be appealing to some. Do you support political oponents being eaten by lions as well?

Re: Who is Marcellus Williams: Execution in Missouri despite evidence of innocence

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To my European eye I'm curious why those who have ordered and those who have executed the wrongfully convicted prisoner, despite the evidence, are not arrested for aggravated murder... It's simple: they have choose, they are responsible for an homicide PERIOD.

Re: Who is Marcellus Williams: Execution in Missouri despite evidence of innocence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppose we lived in a world where it was possible to know someone's guilt or innocence with strictly 100% confidence. Curious to know if your views would change? Note the cost of incarceration is around ~$70k/year; enough to save lives, house people, heal people, feed people etc if put to other uses.

What’s the point of this analogy? We can’t know 100% so it doesn’t matter.

The point is to distinguish between an act that is immoral in and of itself and one that is immoral because we aren't sufficiently smart/honorable/efficient. This informs the argument - in the latter case killing could be permissible if only we become more advanced - in the former case it would never be permissible.

Re: Who is Marcellus Williams: Execution in Missouri despite evidence of innocence

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Does anyone find it deeply disturbing that the justice system will just sit on its own hands when presented with new evidence? It seems like prosecutors are more interested in maintaining a hi conviction rate rather than seeking justice. Judges seem totally apathetic.

In this case the prosecutor actively pushed against the execution, arguing that his guilt was no longer beyond a reasonable doubt.

The blame for this lies squarely on the Missouri Supreme Court and Gov. Parson (who has never once granted clemency in a capital case).

Re: Who is Marcellus Williams: Execution in Missouri despite evidence of innocence

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The prosecutor who wanted to pardon him was not the original prosecutor, but a recent progressive elected one. The original prosecutor still believes he is guilty. Furthermore it is highly suspect that he was caught selling the laptop stolen from her house and the story about how he came into it is implausible. People who are willing to commit murder are often sociopaths and pathological liars. It isn’t surprising he…

> The prosecutor who wanted to pardon him was not the original prosecutor, but a recent progressive elected one It's beyond stupid to elect people who are in charge of upholding laws and prosecute crimes. They have to campaign, make their views known, and to get elected, show views which of course aren't necessarily related to what their job should be about. Get professionals that are as impartial as possible. They w…

If prosecutors are going to be biased either way, I'd prefer a choice in those biases.

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I am… not sure that the successive versions of the ancient Roman society are a thing to emulate. Though I can see how a society in a state of constant warfare for centuries and utterly dominated by an oligarchy completely divorced from reality could be appealing to some. Do you support political oponents being eaten by lions as well?

> Do you support political oponents being eaten by lions as well?

No, leave the lions alone. What the Romans did to animals for entertainment was very cruel. And also expensive.

Re: Who is Marcellus Williams: Execution in Missouri despite evidence of innocence

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The murderer had the victims bloody jacket and some of her belongings in his car. He confessed to his partner and his prison mate that he did in fact kill her and steal her stuff.

Nothing fascist about justice.

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