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Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Treat it like you do customer support and automate it. Or is that not allowed?

Do you actually want automated take-downs? Isn't that what people already complain the most about on YouTube?

No. But caching takedowns is not the same at all as YouTube takedowns. It’s very very clear who owns what data and after the takedown the site owner can modify the robots.txt and move on.

So yes, takedowns here are fine.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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I'm aware of Google's history of shutting down services... but... > And when it's a brick, what are the chances I can wipe it and install my own software on it? Probably zero. Will you have no trouble buying a Roku or Amazon Fire Stick though? Those are also paper weights once the company decides to stop supporting them - and I'm not aware of any consumer electronics that allows you to install your own software on it…

I think GP's point was specifically Google's famous history of starting projects and then shutting them down within a few years. Old Rokus still work. My Roku 3600 is eight years old.

My old Roku is now so sluggish and slow, it's a paper weight and I had to buy a new one.

All consumer electronics are designed to be disposable. GP's point was a grievance with consumer electronics at large, not Google's. What other consumer electronics allow you to replace the OS with your own, or receive infinite updates forever? Zero.

Chromecast lasted for a decade, and is "dead" only in name. None of GP's statement is on-point for a typical "Google kills things all the time" complaint.

If we're going to throw shade at Google, make sure it's about legitimate things.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Is anyone at Google even aware how much this hurts their brand? I received an email from Google today with the subject line "Meet the new Google TV Streamer (4K)" The sender was Google Chromecast. Apparently it's some sort of streaming hardware they are selling for £99. I won't even consider buying one. How long until it's an obsolete brick? And when it's a brick, what are the chances I can wipe it and install my own…

I guess I'll have to buy the new Google TV Streamer because my previous Chromecast with Google TV 4K is now close to useless because of the lack of flash memory space after all the updates (despite it has a properly initialized USB drive connected via a powered USB-C hub, the most essential apps still require to be installed on the miniscule internal memory).

Why install apps? It's a Chromecast, just cast to it. I've been using Chromecasts as my primary vehicle on my TV for 8 years, and never needed to install any apps. It seems like it defeats the purpose of the main distinguishing characteristic.

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Google gives priority to sponsored content, so it's guilty of the first damage to the search result quality that they started years ahead of LLMs. Then comes SEO ranking for which LLMs are now being used to game its algorithm, but this used to be done manually years before.

I am tired of having this argument with people. Google's search engine requires there to be content for them to index and send people to in order for their service to be useful. Google wants useful websites to exist, websites want google to send them traffic. LLM's don't send traffic to websites, as LLM's supplant google there will be fewer and fewer websites because they don't get enough traffic anymore. There is a…

> send traffic to websites

Yup, mostly sponsored websites, thus killing the Internet. We have complained about this for at least a decade, we are tired too, thus moving to a better knowledge provider like the LLMs is a natural step.

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Nowadays my browser's home page is one of the LLMs. It's easier to get knowledge with an AI than the dead Internet to which Google contributed.

So your LLM has an up to date cache of roughly all web pages in the world?

Given that the answer is inevitably going to be "no", why do you think this generic complaint is in any way relevant to the article?

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Is anyone at Google even aware how much this hurts their brand? I received an email from Google today with the subject line "Meet the new Google TV Streamer (4K)" The sender was Google Chromecast. Apparently it's some sort of streaming hardware they are selling for £99. I won't even consider buying one. How long until it's an obsolete brick? And when it's a brick, what are the chances I can wipe it and install my own…

The "Google Chromecast with Android TV" was a stick that was sold for $25, and it runs full Android TV. Google would have to abandon Android TV before it would be bricked. They were sold as cable box replacements, running the YouTube TV app, rather than their ability to "cast" a phone screen to a TV.

It's called "Chromecast with Google TV" and it wasn't $25 until they made the cheaper version that doesn't do 4k.

Afaik Google TV is to Android TV what Pixel OS is to Android. Both the "Chromecast with Google TV" and the new "Google TV Streamer" are technically running "full Android TV".

Also they were sold mainly as a Roku/Fire stick competitor. Maybe they marketed it alongside YouTube TV but also there's a dedicated Netflix button on the remote.

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Very sad to see it gone. It was always some kind of last resort. Internet Archive is lovely, don't get me wrong, but it relies mostly on people actively queueing up sites to save.

So most of the time for more obscure sites where the bitrot was already in place and they aren't loading anymore you could use the Google cache to get something out of it – where IA had nothing.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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I guess that's another one to add to the list: https://killedbygoogle.com/

It bugs me how that site counts things that were just shuffled around, rebranded or obsolete as "killed". Google genuinely kills enough stuff that there's really no need to pad out the list by counting the Google Drive desktop client that still exists and was just renamed, or the standalone Street View app which was just a worse version of the Google Maps app, or Google Toolbar which was obsoleted by browsers integra…

_Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn_ was released in 2019, same year that the YouTube app was killed by Google. Also, one is a release, which means that's the point in time it started working, while one is the exact opposite, the point it stopped working.

Not only were you off by two years, you're talking about literal opposites there.

And surely the most popular video service no longer being available on the second most popular handheld console released since the launch of that service surely justifies at least those few pixels on a website that specifically covers things made not available by the owners of said video service, especially since it was a standalone product.

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Nowadays my browser's home page is one of the LLMs. It's easier to get knowledge with an AI than the dead Internet to which Google contributed.

So your LLM has an up to date cache of roughly all web pages in the world? Given that the answer is inevitably going to be "no", why do you think this generic complaint is in any way relevant to the article?

To all, no. A summarized cache of the most important knowledge, yes!
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