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Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by mobiuscog » Mon, Sep 23, 2024, 5:19 PM UTC

brylie wrote: post #59

sutra_on wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was so impressed by Bitwig since the beta. Just couldn't find anything major enough to make the switch from Live. Also, M4L is such an amazing ecosystem, I would miss it. Any features in more recent Bitwig versions that stand out?

I’m not sure how recently they were added, but the Grid (modular environment) and the modulation sources are really powerful, particularly for adding organic/generative elements to a production. I’ve heard that Bitwig routing is another workflow enhancement, but haven’t used it too extensively. It would be cool if Bitwig would introduce a scripting environment similar to Max for Live.

If Bitwig would add user-modules to the Grid, along with a scripting language, it would be perfect.

Where they both fall down is in less capability for the piano roll and midi for more complex compositions and styles (orchestration) and although Live has made some moves towards improving that recently, they're both still way behind in that area.

Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by sutra_on » Mon, Sep 23, 2024, 7:26 PM UTC

mobiuscog wrote: post #61

brylie wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure how recently they were added, but the Grid (modular environment) and the modulation sources are really powerful, particularly for adding organic/generative elements to a production. I’ve heard that Bitwig routing is another workflow enhancement, but haven’t used it too extensively. It would be cool if Bitwig would introduce a scripting environment similar to Max for Live.

If Bitwig would add user-modules to the Grid, along with a scripting language, it would be perfect. Where they both fall down is in less capability for the piano roll and midi for more complex compositions and styles (orchestration) and although Live has made some moves towards improving that recently, they're both still way behind in that area.

Totally agree regarding the piano roll. Same with the sample editor.

Saying that, DAWs just have different specialization. E.g. for a long time midi support in ProTools was extremely limited. Cakewalk already had an excellent piano roll in the late 90s.

Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by pottering » Wed, Oct 02, 2024, 11:17 PM UTC

1zael wrote: post #17

Ableton is an epitome of software design innovation. I think few people understand how groundbreaking the Session View vs Arrangement View design was to advance the workflow of both produced and live music. Subcomponents like Operator created design patterns that are widely adopted by most VSTs today. Kudos to the Ableton team for crafting a product that is so beloved.

Not only Session View, but also its absence of effing toolbars, wish people realized how genius that is.