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Sony announces PS5 Pro, a $700 graphics workhorse available Nov. 7

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Re: Sony announces PS5 Pro, a $700 graphics workhorse available Nov. 7

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Post by Retric »

resource_waste wrote: post #31
Retric wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PCs are a lot more hassle if you just want to chill and play games. Not such a big deal if you’re using the computer for other stuff, but a 2nd living room PC just never made sense to me.

I'm the other way. Last time I turned on my xbox, the updates took so long, I got bored and forgot about it.

Not sure about XBox but PS5 has rest mode to keep updated. Only uses ~3.5W/hour until it’s actively downloading and installing something which means turning it off is basically pointless unless you’re looking at months of inactivity.

Re: Sony announces PS5 Pro, a $700 graphics workhorse available Nov. 7

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Post by imbnwa »

jwells89 wrote: post #11
Retric wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PCs are a lot more hassle if you just want to chill and play games. Not such a big deal if you’re using the computer for other stuff, but a 2nd living room PC just never made sense to me.

Particularly if you want to play with a controller (as is common for a living room/couch setup). Windows somehow has the worst controller support out of all operating systems (including mobile OSes) and if it weren't for Valve patching things up with Steam, it'd be almost unserviceable in that category.

I just don't undertand how Microsoft puts up the pithy 'Game Bar' and calls it a day. Put up a proper entertainment center UI for Windows that integrates stores, I shouldn't have to install Playnite or anything, which has its issues. Make it optional like PowerToys if you wanna be unrealistic about not 'cannibalizing Xbox sales' or some such nonsense. I should be able to game from any store or pop open Netflix without dealing with Windows 11's UI at all.

Re: Sony announces PS5 Pro, a $700 graphics workhorse available Nov. 7

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Post by alias_neo »

physicsguy wrote: post #24

The pricing is totally wrong on this no matter the specs. £700 in the U.K. is crazy

I have a PS5 Disc edition and play mostly physical games, so we're looking at what, at least £800 with a disc drive add-on? Insanity.

Re: Sony announces PS5 Pro, a $700 graphics workhorse available Nov. 7

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Post by pseudosavant »

aeturnum wrote: post #14
thatguy0900 wrote: post #3

Honestly crazy to me that people will pay 700 for a Playstation instead of 8-900 for a pc

Consoles have always won on the "time investment :: game playing capability" metric. Sure, it's possible to be savvy with your time and money and build a PC that is better than a PS5 Pro for less money - but learning how to do that will take a lot of time and focus. If you already know how to do that it's a sunk cost and you probably already have a huge steam library anyway. On the flip side, if you can't build such…

I highly doubt you can build a PC that performs better in games than the PS5 Pro for $700. That is a very low price when a $300 RTX 4060 will be a slower GPU than what the PS5 Pro will have. Not to mention that consoles generally are more efficient, and have better visuals at a given compute level, than running games in a general-purpose OS.

Re: Sony announces PS5 Pro, a $700 graphics workhorse available Nov. 7

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Post by Retric »

throwaway17_17 wrote: post #47
sjnonweb wrote: post #15

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A similar performing 4070ti alone will cost $750, and thats just gpu. Including cpu, memory, storage it will be more than $1500.

Where are you sourcing the comparison between the PS5 GPU and a 4070ti? The PS5 has 16 Gb of shared ram total and a 4070ti has 16 Gb for just the GPU. I don’t think the comparison is accurate and think that leads to an inflated value proposition in your comment. I have a PS5 and the percentage of games it can currently run at a solid 60 fps is a low percentage, but a 4070ti will consistently be at 60 fps for most cro…

> Where are you sourcing the comparison

PS5 Pro has a much better GPU than the current PS5. It’s not fair to compare current HW with unreleased hardware, but at release PS5 Pro is going to be quite competitive for a little while.

Re: Sony announces PS5 Pro, a $700 graphics workhorse available Nov. 7

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Post by sbarre »

aspeckt112 wrote: post #34
sbarre wrote: post #12

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I mean, Steam Big Picture is pretty much the same as a couch console experience.. A console is still a more streamlined experience, but you get 90% of the way there with Steam BP, plus you have a general purpose computer as well. But you spent more for the PC.. Different priorities for different people, for sure..

For the general consumer, the target market of PlayStation, 90% of the way there isn't good enough. The cheaper option is 100% of the way there as far as they're concerned.

> For the general consumer, the target market of PlayStation, 90% of the way there isn't good enough.

Oh come on, really? Big Picture is on par or arguably better than the PS4 interface was, and way better than previous generation consoles, and those all sold very well to the "general consumer"...

I think you're just trying to argue for argument's sake here...

I picked 90% as an arbitrary number, so you're literally arguing against a made up number..

My point to the GP was that gaming on PC doesn't have to be "Windows, keyboards and mice" and there's a perfectly good, and polished, store/couch/controller experience available to anyone who wants it, even if consoles are still incrementally better.

Re: Sony announces PS5 Pro, a $700 graphics workhorse available Nov. 7

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Post by physicsguy »

alias_neo wrote: post #63
physicsguy wrote: post #24

The pricing is totally wrong on this no matter the specs. £700 in the U.K. is crazy

I have a PS5 Disc edition and play mostly physical games, so we're looking at what, at least £800 with a disc drive add-on? Insanity.

I just don’t really get the target…

If you’ve not bought a PS5 yet, I think at the price it’s not attractive.

If you have one, the next gen games aren’t pushing at the limits of the current hardware yet.

Re: Sony announces PS5 Pro, a $700 graphics workhorse available Nov. 7

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Post by edu »

diggan wrote: post #55
antics9 wrote: post #49

What's the point of owning a gaming console? You don´t really own the games anyway; as in being able to hand them over to a friend or sell them on a second market. Why not just stream the gameplay through big mainframes like Nvidia GaForce Now and the likes?

> What's the point of owning a gaming console? Plug-and-play entertainment. I thought this was kind of well known at this point? > You don´t really own the games anyway; as in being able to hand them over to a friend or sell them on a second market. Isn't the same for most PC players who purchase games via Steam and Epic Store? You don't "own" those either. Most consoles at least has optional discs you could gift/sel…

But with the time to update game, it’s often plug-wait-and-play.

In this sense streaming games services are more plug and play, given what you say that you live in an area with good connectivity.

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