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Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

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Therefore she made "those engineers" millionaries just as much. No. All contributions aren't equal. It takes someone special to write HipHop to compile PHP into C++. Engineers can (and do) do customer service in a pinch, customer service reps can't do engineering. Doug Edwards, Google Employee 59, is more self-consciously reflective about this, recognizing explicitly in his biography that the company would have becom…

> No. All contributions aren't equal. It takes someone > special to write HipHop to compile PHP into C++. > Engineers can (and do) do customer service in a pinch, > customer service reps can't do engineering. The sheer hubris on display here makes me gag.

Is this statement true or false: Engineers can do customer service, but customer service reps can't do engineering.

You don't have to point this out as an engineer unless dealing with someone who doesn't realize how relatively incapable they are, like Losse.

Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

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so you take her account of their behavior at face value? the article makes it sound like sandberg did too and quietly "made things happen" on the strength of that. that should legitimately concern men in tech.

My god, you're right! There is a witch-hunt for men going on by the women invading our industry. Its high time for us to stand up to it.

you should be pretty worried if hyperbolic mischaracterization is the best response you have to someones argument.

women have privileges too. women abusing their presumed status as victum in conflicts with men is a very real phenomena.

Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

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Mark Zuckerberg and those engineers made this customer service representative a millionaire. She repays them by trashing them in the Wall Street Journal. There is nothing wrong with something "unrepentantly boyish", anything more than there is something wrong with women's only schools. Working class men don't go around apologizing for doing difficult construction jobs, white collar men need to stop apologizing for do…

"unrepentantly boyish" is OK in certain places. Like, a boys' school, or a strip club or something. Our society has decided that work should not be one of those places, and we've enshrined that in law.

What laws? Could you please define "unrepentantly boyish"?

Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

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Mark Zuckerberg and those engineers made this customer service representative a millionaire. She repays them by trashing them in the Wall Street Journal. There is nothing wrong with something "unrepentantly boyish", anything more than there is something wrong with women's only schools. Working class men don't go around apologizing for doing difficult construction jobs, white collar men need to stop apologizing for do…

While its true that the majority of people in tech jobs or dangerous working class jobs are man, I understand why some people see misogyny when you wrote "white collar men need to stop apologizing for doing the difficult programming jobs" because it can come across as woman not being capable and not doing those difficult jobs...

With that said... It still surprises me that people in HN are quickly to point out misogyny but completely misses the man bashing, "boyish" shaming misandry from this article.

The article was not just sexist but also generally demeaning or condescending.

"...my first day at Facebook, the young, plain-looking guys in T-shirts..." "...woman in the office—an administrative assistant—was more animated, smiling toothily as she welcomed me in...."

The bad types of feminists seems to think that all man have power and/or privileges and are oppressors of woman and woman are always the oppressed victims with no privilege or power. The following quotes made her seem like she might be this type of feminist.

"...slight mocking disapproval that was my new colleagues' default tone in response to anything that resisted their power...."

"...Facebook album that Monday I was struck by the loaded nature of the image, ripe for interpretation, in which Mark appeared to be commanding a female employee to submit..."

"...photo was taken and posted on Facebook is that it didn't occur to anyone in the office that there was anything wrong with it, or that it revealed something unattractive about the culture of Facebook."

"...As Mark wrote on his business card with boyish hubris, "I'm CEO, bitch." The image of me in the bearskin was saying that power wasn't something to be questioned; it was something to collect and brandish..."

IIRC the "I'm CEO, bitch." business cards had to do with developers not becoming CEO of the company and not making as much money from their own creation.

"When I met Sheryl, the first thing I said was that she had really good skin," Mark continued, "and she does," he said, gesturing toward Sheryl, whose face had an admittedly creamy tone.

Was Mark talking about the actual skin or that she had good thick skin? It's pretty ironic if this is criticism of Mark considering she writes about peoples appearances in a condescending way.

Re: The Woman in the Facebook Frat House

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My god, you're right! There is a witch-hunt for men going on by the women invading our industry. Its high time for us to stand up to it.

you should be pretty worried if hyperbolic mischaracterization is the best response you have to someones argument. women have privileges too. women abusing their presumed status as victum in conflicts with men is a very real phenomena.

I'm more worried that there are people who think what I just said was hyperbolic or a mischaracterization. Or that either of your comments could be construed as an argument.
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