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Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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I find myself a little sad at how lucrative a job this will appear for an entire generation. $1500 average creator pay is higher than 40 hours a week minimum wage.

I don't. People get to take home 80% of what they make, have full control over their work and it eliminates the biggest drawback of sex work which is safety issues. The day when enough people have a way to opt out of grueling min wage work is probably when it's finally automated or at least people get treated better.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Why? They're common people, not sociopaths.

I think maybe it's my own personal bias, but it does feel like anyone who pays money for an AI girlfriend really won't want it to disagree with them. I believe they'll want an idyllic and fantasy version of a relationship.

Agree. The only advantage of an AI girlfriend is that you can shut her off when you're finished with her.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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post #35

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Why? They're common people, not sociopaths.

I think maybe it's my own personal bias, but it does feel like anyone who pays money for an AI girlfriend really won't want it to disagree with them. I believe they'll want an idyllic and fantasy version of a relationship.

While I grant that some and perhaps even most people won't want the AI girlfriend to disagree, there are some out there who treat arguments as a necessary and desirable spice in a relationship.

That said, I can't really think of anything that would be worth arguing with an AI over.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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post #54

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Why? They're common people, not sociopaths.

I'd say the set of people who want an AI girlfriend and the set of people whose defining trait is a lack of empathy is probably a bigger overlap than you think.

> I'd say the set of people who want an AI girlfriend and the set of people whose defining trait is a lack of empathy is probably a bigger overlap than you think.

The defining trait of people who want an AI girlfriend is ugly, lonely men.

Is lack of empathy the defining characteristic of ugly men?

Or is it simply that people in general hate ugly people and thus ascribe various ills and character faults to them?

I'd say the set of people that disparage undesirable lonely men that desire AI girlfriend are usually those whose defining trait is severe lack of empathy. This is blatantly obvious here.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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A good AI girlfriend wouldn't be a therapist but would mimics every aspect of a girlfriend, including arguments and fights and makeups, because that's how bonding occurs. That's going to be how successful AI girlfriend will be made.

Your assumption is that the status quo provides those things. Nowadays, people will break up as soon as they get "the ick" or just have a rotating group of people they see. Lasting relationships are much less common than they used to be because it's easier to switch partners. People just want to chase a local maximum of constant validation that they're pretty/smart/correct. They don't see or understand the value in w…

The whole point of having fights and arguments at just the right level is to maximize engagement, retention and ultimately making money for the corporation.

I was imagining the most diabolical addictive AI girlfriend. That's necessarily going to include 'negative' elements.

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post #35

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Why? They're common people, not sociopaths.

I think maybe it's my own personal bias, but it does feel like anyone who pays money for an AI girlfriend really won't want it to disagree with them. I believe they'll want an idyllic and fantasy version of a relationship.

AI girlfriend that always agree with you and never contradict anything you say isn't going to be as addicting as an AI girlfriend who on occasion disagree with you.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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It's the same pipe dream as "AI content creators will take over youtube". There is no "formula" for success in the creator economy - the winners are largely random. A better way to look at it is there are 4 million humans out there trying every permutation to crack success, and ~400k actually do it. Unless you have a sufficiently advanced AI agent that is both varying it's content and it's marketing strategy to the t…

A good AI girlfriend wouldn't be a therapist but would mimics every aspect of a girlfriend, including arguments and fights and makeups, because that's how bonding occurs. That's going to be how successful AI girlfriend will be made.

There are many successful relationships that don't involve arguments - and which are about constant peace.

Relationships don't require 'arguments and fights and makeups' to be real. And if AI girlfriends offer 'ideal relationships', how is that not 'good'?

You are conflating what people actually want with the artificial drama of TV shows and Hollywood/the messy scenario of reality. If people can pay to get their fantasy girlfriends/relationships brought to life, they will, and it will be successful especially if all forms of conflict/relationship dissatisfaction can be avoided.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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It's the same pipe dream as "AI content creators will take over youtube". There is no "formula" for success in the creator economy - the winners are largely random. A better way to look at it is there are 4 million humans out there trying every permutation to crack success, and ~400k actually do it. Unless you have a sufficiently advanced AI agent that is both varying it's content and it's marketing strategy to the t…

> There is no "formula" for success in the creator economy - the winners are largely random. I think that strongly depends on what you call "the creator economy". For example, on YT it's really mostly skill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip2trao6dYw Not that I believe its easy, nor do I think AI will be super good at it, at least not before everything else also enshittifies into the habsburg-AI-powered dead interne…

The idea that success is earned through luck rather than merit is a firmly ideological position, regardless of the domain you’re talking about. If you succeeded via luck then that provides a better moral justification for the related ideological position that you should be deprived of the fruits of your labor as much as possible, for redistribution to others who were simply less lucky than you. It’s really just sour grapes.

The formula for success in any field is simply to make a product that other people want to consume. It’s not 0 variance, but if you have some insight into what people want, and you do the work to execute your idea, then you can simply work through the ups and downs and success is almost inevitable.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Their opinion on what constitutes "porn" is probably reductive. It's not a straightforward scale or a solid line. There's a lot of nuance in how far away nudity is from pure lace, to corset, shoulderless, miniskirt, onesie, all the way to burka.

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I am not interested in another non sequitor. Good luck with whatever.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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I find myself a little sad at how lucrative a job this will appear for an entire generation. $1500 average creator pay is higher than 40 hours a week minimum wage.

Who do you know that's making $9/hour avg today? That's what I was earning at a student job back in 2010.
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