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Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

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Looking forward to reading this series.

As a side note I’d love to find a chart/data on the cost performance ratio of open source models. And possibly then a $/ELO value (where $ is the cost to build and operate the machine and ELO kind of a proxy value for the average performance of the model)

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post #7

You could just buy a Mac Studio for 6500 USD, have 192 GB of unified RAM and have way less power consumption.

You could for sure, but the nVidia setup described in this article would be many times faster at inference. So it’s a tradeoff between power consumption and performance. Also, modern GPUs are surprisingly good at throttling their power usage when not actively in use, just like CPUs. So while you need 3kW+ worth of PSU for an 8x3090 setup, it’s not going to be using anywhere near 3kW of power on average, unless you’re…

I have a 3090 power capped at 65%, I only notice a minimal difference in performance

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> And who knows, maybe someone will look back on my work and be like “haha, remember when we thought 192GB of VRAM was a lot?”

I wonder if this will happen. It's already really hard to buy big HDDs for my NAS because nobody buys external drives anymore. So the pricing has gone up a lot for the prosumer.

I expect something similar to happen to AI. The big cloud parties are all big leaders on LLMs and their goal is to keep us beholden to their cloud service. Cheap home hardware work serious capability is not something they're interested in. They want to keep it out of our reach so we can pay them rent and they can mine our data.

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A single 3090 will deliver more tflops than the m2 ultra.

The M2 Ultra doesn't require doing electrical work on your house like this 8x 3090 setup did though.

1x 3090 would be faster than the mac, cheaper than the mac, and run on a normal residential circuit. How many breakers would you need for a cluster of 20 macs running at full throttle to match the perf of OP's build?

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Hey guys, this is something I have been intending to share here for a while. This setup took me some time to plan and put together, and then some more time to explore the software part of things and the possibilities that came with it. Part of the main reason I built this was data privacy, I do not want to hand over my private data to any company to further train their closed weight models; and given the recent drop…

The main thing stopping me from going beyond 2x 4090’s in my home lab is power. Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it, and that’s before you get to the costs involved of drawing that much power for multiple days of a training run. How did you navigate that in a (presumably) residential setting?

Not speaking from direct experience building a rig like this but the blog post mentions having 3 power supplies so the most direct solution would be to put each on their own dedicated circuit. As long as you have space in your electrical box this is straightforward to do though I would recommend having an electrician do the wiring if you aren’t experienced with that type of home electrical work.

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#66

Hey guys, this is something I have been intending to share here for a while. This setup took me some time to plan and put together, and then some more time to explore the software part of things and the possibilities that came with it. Part of the main reason I built this was data privacy, I do not want to hand over my private data to any company to further train their closed weight models; and given the recent drop…

The main thing stopping me from going beyond 2x 4090’s in my home lab is power. Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it, and that’s before you get to the costs involved of drawing that much power for multiple days of a training run. How did you navigate that in a (presumably) residential setting?

Then juste add a 32A circuit breaker to your electrical installation, it's not a big deal really.

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Hey guys, this is something I have been intending to share here for a while. This setup took me some time to plan and put together, and then some more time to explore the software part of things and the possibilities that came with it. Part of the main reason I built this was data privacy, I do not want to hand over my private data to any company to further train their closed weight models; and given the recent drop…

The main thing stopping me from going beyond 2x 4090’s in my home lab is power. Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it, and that’s before you get to the costs involved of drawing that much power for multiple days of a training run. How did you navigate that in a (presumably) residential setting?

Take your typical 'GPU node', which would be a Dell/HP/SuperMicro with 4-8 NVIDIA H100's and a single top high level AMD/Intel CPU. You would need 2-4 240v outlets (30A).

In the real world you would plug them into a PDU such as: https://www.apc.com/us/en/product/AP9571A/rack-pdu-basic-1u-...

Each GPU will take around 700W and then you have the rest of the system to power, so depending on CPU/RAM/storage...

And then you need to cool it!

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#69
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's actually interesting. While crypto GPU mining is "purposeless" or arbitrary, would be way cooler if to GPU mine meant to chunk through computing tasks in a free/open queue (blockchain). Eventually there could be some tipping point where networks are fast enough and there are enough hosting participants it could be like a worldwide/free computing platform - not just for AI for anything.

This idea has been brought up tons of times by grifters aiming to pivot from Crypto to AI. The reason that GPUs are used for blockchains is to compute large numbers or proofs - which are truly useless but still verifiable so they can be distributed and rewarded. The free GPU compute idea misses this crucial point, so the blockchain part is (still) useless unless your aim is to waste GPU compute instead. IRL all you n…

folding@home predates Bitcoin by eight years. the concept isn't inherent to grifters

Re: Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

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Hey guys, this is something I have been intending to share here for a while. This setup took me some time to plan and put together, and then some more time to explore the software part of things and the possibilities that came with it. Part of the main reason I built this was data privacy, I do not want to hand over my private data to any company to further train their closed weight models; and given the recent drop…

The main thing stopping me from going beyond 2x 4090’s in my home lab is power. Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it, and that’s before you get to the costs involved of drawing that much power for multiple days of a training run. How did you navigate that in a (presumably) residential setting?

I can't believe a group of engineers are so afraid of residential power.

It is not expensive, nor is it highly technical. It's not like we're factoring in latency and crosstalk...

Read a quick howto, cruise into Home Depot and grab some legos off the shelf. Far easier to figure out than executing "hello world" without domain expertise.

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