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Re: Leaked Disney+ financials may shed light on recent price hike

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Post by AndrewDucker » Sat, Sep 07, 2024, 8:28 AM UTC

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #9

aidenn0 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like Disney having a government enforced monopoly on their content that lasts for about a century, combined with changes in technology w.r.t streaming that allow them to never create a "first sale" and thus make it illegal for anybody to possess a copy of their content without paying them a monthly fee that they get to set?

Another way to say that first part is that after a certain amount of time the government strips away your control over your own creation.

You only have that control because of the government. Without the chunk of the legal system devoted to it you wouldn't have any control of your own creation at all.

Re: Leaked Disney+ financials may shed light on recent price hike

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Post by mnau » Sat, Sep 07, 2024, 9:49 AM UTC

AndrewDucker wrote: post #61

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another way to say that first part is that after a certain amount of time the government strips away your control over your own creation.

You only have that control because of the government. Without the chunk of the legal system devoted to it you wouldn't have any control of your own creation at all.

You can say the same thing about physical stuff.

The whole ownership concept is a mental construct, enforced by our government.

Re: Leaked Disney+ financials may shed light on recent price hike

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Post by chgs » Sat, Sep 07, 2024, 1:04 PM UTC

mnau wrote: post #62

AndrewDucker wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You only have that control because of the government. Without the chunk of the legal system devoted to it you wouldn't have any control of your own creation at all.

You can say the same thing about physical stuff. The whole ownership concept is a mental construct, enforced by our government.

If I take your physical thing away you are left without that thing.

If I copy your thing you still have your thing.

While property ownership and restrictions on being able to say or write something are both constructs governments apply, they are very different principals

Re: Leaked Disney+ financials may shed light on recent price hike

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Post by mnau » Sat, Sep 07, 2024, 4:03 PM UTC

chgs wrote: post #63

mnau wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can say the same thing about physical stuff. The whole ownership concept is a mental construct, enforced by our government.

If I take your physical thing away you are left without that thing. If I copy your thing you still have your thing. While property ownership and restrictions on being able to say or write something are both constructs governments apply, they are very different principals

Ultimately they rely on same principle: this is mine. I made this, it's product of my work. It's mine to do as I please.

Government made laws to put this into practice.

Edit: Ultimately, to say you don't protect IP in some reasonable form is to say only work that produces physical stuff has value and is worth protecting. That all thinking is not a work worth protecting.

It's not like there weren't systems trying to make a different concept of material ownership. Communal ownership mean the thing is never yours in the first place. You never owned and thus it was never taken away. It mostly didn't work.

Re: Leaked Disney+ financials may shed light on recent price hike

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Post by aidenn0 » Sat, Sep 07, 2024, 6:59 PM UTC

dehrmann wrote: post #42

aidenn0 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like Disney having a government enforced monopoly on their content that lasts for about a century, combined with changes in technology w.r.t streaming that allow them to never create a "first sale" and thus make it illegal for anybody to possess a copy of their content without paying them a monthly fee that they get to set?

> having a government enforced monopoly on their content Sure, but they're just the only company selling Marvel, Pixar, and Star Wars. Someone else is selling DC, Illumination, and Star Trek content. They're all competing in the entertainment space, so it's not a real problem for pricing. If Disney opened a $2500 per night Star Wars hotel, I'm pretty sure you'd see market forces react.