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How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by atlas_hugged »

the_real_cher wrote: post #47
raverbashing wrote: post #31

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> a legacy American like Mark Cuban From Wikipedia > His paternal grandfather changed the surname from "Chabenisky" to "Cuban" after his family emigrated from Russia through Ellis Island.[14][15] His maternal grandparents were Romanian Jewish immigrants

Immigrant from Europe right? That's where everyone in America came from. Same culture, same history, same values. Western civilization seems to create high trust societies that other cultures struggle to replicate. People say America was founded on immigration which is true but they neglect to say that it was immigration FROM EUROPE. Immigrants from non-western countries weren't allowed into America en masse until th…

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Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by the_real_cher »

foldr wrote: post #39
the_real_cher wrote: post #21

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doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?

They are. When a doctor immigrates from Nigeria to the US, then that's broadly speaking good for the US and bad for Nigeria.

is it though...

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by shiroiushi »

the_real_cher wrote: post #21
carom wrote: post #10

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I don't disagree, getting smart and ambitious people to move to your country is a really good policy overall. It is just worth weighing it against the opportunity cost for the citizens of the country.

doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?

Because their country doesn't offer the same opportunities to achieve the things they believe they can in their new country. It's the main reason people emigrate. No one's going to build Nvidia in India or China, for instance, at least not back in the time that it was created in America.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by the_real_cher »

cherryteastain wrote: post #51
the_real_cher wrote: post #25

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Their economic impact is to deprive opportunities from Americans just like the people walking in from Mexico. There is a strong equivalency there. More people graduated in computer science in the United States in the last few years than ever before and they can't find jobs. Doesn't it beg the question...if they're so good for the economy in America why aren't they good for the economy in their own country?

> deprive opportunities Jury is out on this one. Japan has hardly any immigration yet their wages stagnated. Canada has a ton of immigration and their wages are also stagnant. Europe is somewhere between Japan and Canada, with also stagnant wages. Nobody disputes wages are stagnant, but the degree to which skilled immigration suppresses wages is an area where economists are unsure or even tilting towards a 'no' answe…

> wages stagnated

I don't really think wages are a proxy for opportunity as central banks can make currency worthless. There's computer science graduates in America who would take a job in their field for pittances just to be working in their field.

> There are so many jobs that are available only in industrialized countries

Well start! Half the startups in the 90s Americans built out of their garage.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by the_real_cher »

shiroiushi wrote: post #63
the_real_cher wrote: post #21

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doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?

Because their country doesn't offer the same opportunities to achieve the things they believe they can in their new country. It's the main reason people emigrate. No one's going to build Nvidia in India or China, for instance, at least not back in the time that it was created in America.

America didn't used to be the country that offered those opportunities.

Yet people built it and made it that way.

Nothing is static people csn change anything

These people need to do that in their own countries.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

atlas_hugged wrote: post #54
BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #29

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French people using the slang used by American racists? That’s a new one. “State mandated dose of neutral..” what? You clearly didn’t go the same brain washing public school systems I went to in America (California of all places) where they told us a gigantic pile of lies about basically everything that happened in our history that I’m still trying to unlearn 20+ years later.

How do you know for sure you're not just replacing these lies with others (perhaps more credible, better engineered and camouflaged)?

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by the_real_cher »

atlas_hugged wrote: post #61
the_real_cher wrote: post #47

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Immigrant from Europe right? That's where everyone in America came from. Same culture, same history, same values. Western civilization seems to create high trust societies that other cultures struggle to replicate. People say America was founded on immigration which is true but they neglect to say that it was immigration FROM EUROPE. Immigrants from non-western countries weren't allowed into America en masse until th…

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a lot of insults and not a lot of information

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by the_real_cher »

pif wrote: post #43
carom wrote: post #5

>Recent immigrants tend to earn less than U.S.-born workers because of their lower level of education, lack of English, and in some cases because they are working without permission. They might also compete with existing workers with less education and put downward pressure on their wages, too. This is my biggest problem with immigration. It is a handout to corporations. If we think about the poorest Americans, this…

> It is a handout to corporations. You are right, but unfortunately you are not completely right. The problem lies in a universal truth: people buy cheap. A corporation that can afford lower wages is a corporation that can maintain its customer base. If American corporations stooped their effort in reducing costs, they'd lose their effort to foreign corporations with easier access to lower wages and less ecological c…

> The enemy of the poorest Americans are not the immigrants, but the richer Americans

it's both

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