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Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by pdonis »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #59
pdonis wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some interesting implications of this Not really. The article only says persons who exist have a purpose. It does not say that persons who do not yet exist must be created because there is a purpose waiting for them.

Doesn't that put a strange significance on making new people? There's some boundary where you can't abort or your child is born and then they definitely have a purpose, even though 5 minutes before reaching that boundary, they didn't

> There's some boundary

But there's nothing that says that boundary has to be birth. It would depend on when you think a person exists. Some people would say that happens at conception. Others would say it doesn't happen until well after birth (indeed some philosophers have said it doesn't fully happen until adulthood).

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by nilawafer »

Thank you for your inspirational words comrade. You are a beacon of hope for all workers of the revolution.

Soviet Labor Committee has a place for you and all others! In fact we need 10,000 laborers to construct a new datacenter. Please report with a set of warm clothes.

/s

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by jfactorial »

MailleQuiMaille wrote: post #55
Pat_Murph wrote: post #34

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We would need to start by defining what spirituality is... For me it's a vague, meaningless word that people like to use without ever defining it. And it's meaning ehen5rhere is one. Is completly diffeent9from person to person... So for me utterly useless.

Etymologically speaking, spirituality is related to, well spiritus, related to soul, spirit, vital principles and so on. Religion on the other end comes from religare, which means to bind. Can you see the difference in meaning of this two words ? One talks about ethereal things without boundaries but the other bounds you to something… To answer your point, spirituality is broadly speaking your relationship with the i…

> spirituality is broadly speaking your relationship with the invisible world. Is life to you purely material, explored only through the senses or is there more ?

By "invisible" I doubt that you mean simply "unable to be seen with the naked eye," since there are of course many things that are only visible using tools (microscopes, telescopes, infrared cameras, etc.)

By "invisible" you might mean aspects of the world which cannot be sensed with any of our human senses using any technology at all, you have a challenge before you: proving they exist.

Perhaps by "the invisible world" you're referring to abstractions or concepts, e.g. "altruism" or "love" or "evil"? But if so, in this instance I think there must be material evidence for these things for one's belief in them to be rational.

The assertion that an immaterial thing exists, but its existence and any effect of its existence are utterly unobservable, is no different from asserting that the thing does not in fact exist.

So life is effectively purely material. One may assert that there is an unobservable unsensible immaterial reality, but this assertion is ultimately meaningless to us.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by jfactorial »

anon_cow1111 wrote: post #26

Sort of off topic but this page links to a probably-pseudoscience rabbit hole. >As far back as the 1950s, it was known that garlic reduced reaction time by two to three times when consumed by pilots taking flight tests. Does ANYONE know of reference for this? It seemed so bizarre I had to look it up but couldn't see anything obvious.

I fed your question into perplexity.ai [1] and it appears from the resulting response that a youtube video [2] is responsible for this bit of misinformation.

[1] https://www.perplexity.ai/search/as-far-back-as-the-1950s-it... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PNlf-Ar5oA

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by nuancebydefault »

alphazard wrote: post #54

> We don’t talk much about this, because if the people on Team Overboard were honest about who they plan to purge, none of their intended victims would be friends with them, let alone vote for them. It's hard to take the piece seriously after that. Obviously a mischaracterization of the group he refers to as "Team Overboard". A steelman would look something like: "On the other team, they are indifferent as to whether…

I've heard several people say that we are too many on this planet. Mostly older people tend to agree with this. For the record, I'm not one of them. Hence for those people there has to be a set of people belonging to the overboard side.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by nuancebydefault »

Personally I find this paragraph talking to newly arriving people a gem:

“I’m so glad you’re here! I don’t know if they told you in there, but we’re all trying to do something crazy here, which is to build a place where we believe there’s somewhere for everyone. We have never once in our history even come close to doing this. We’re not close now. But the fact that you’re here means we haven’t failed completely, and maybe with your help we’ll succeed.”

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by nuancebydefault »

whack wrote: post #3

> every person has a purpose, nobody is superfluous or redundant. > That’s a tragedy not just for Nicky, but for the rest of us, too. There’s a hole in the ecosystem where Nicky should be: there’s a hospital she should be running, or seventh-graders she should be teaching, or pizzas she should be delivering underwater. Wherever that hole is, everything else will be a little off-balance until Nicky fills it. Some inte…

I think you are taking the author's reasoning a little bit too literal. The gist is, Nicky is doing a job that she does not like, simply because she does not even know of the existence of a job that suits her better. The filling of that position would be a win-win situation. The current 'off-balance' ness is just a metaphor.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by akomtu »

Pat_Murph wrote: post #34
MailleQuiMaille wrote: post #32

Talking about purpose without mentioning spirituality is to me like talking about politics without mentioning wars : feels like a lot of the reasoning behind is missed, either by prudishness, ignorance or bigotry.

We would need to start by defining what spirituality is... For me it's a vague, meaningless word that people like to use without ever defining it. And it's meaning ehen5rhere is one. Is completly diffeent9from person to person... So for me utterly useless.

Spirit is like the law that governs the nature. It's the laws of physics to a materialist.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by mtVessel »

whack wrote: post #3

> every person has a purpose, nobody is superfluous or redundant. > That’s a tragedy not just for Nicky, but for the rest of us, too. There’s a hole in the ecosystem where Nicky should be: there’s a hospital she should be running, or seventh-graders she should be teaching, or pizzas she should be delivering underwater. Wherever that hole is, everything else will be a little off-balance until Nicky fills it. Some inte…

The post doesn't explain how the niches themselves come into being, so an equally logical assumption could be that creating a person also creates a new niche, and their task is simply to find the right one. No new person, no niche.

A less rigorous explanation, but probably more to the author's point, is that people who end up filling the wrong niche add more negativity to the world than those who find their place. This is a worse state of affairs than leaving some niches unfilled.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by afpx »

fishtoaster wrote: post #29

It's a fun, upbeat article, but as an actual case, I think it falls down here: > Our abundance of weirdos creates diversity not only in supply, but also in demand. That's certainly true (imo), but the author seems to implicitly expect the supply and demand to match up and I'm pretty thoroughly convinced that they do not. Thinking narrowly about jobs, there are a lot more people that want to be artists than people tha…

Yet, I go on art business forums, and businesses seems to be booming. It’s surprising to me how many profitable niche art genres there are.

My guess is that many people (myself included) don’t know how to find a market, align themselves to the market and advertise. There are also a lot of people who ‘want to do their own thing’ and focus on making art that no one else wants.

There are a lot of people in the world with very specific interests and lots of disposable income.

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