Not to WOMM, but as a data point, it's working perfectly for me in Firefox on Windows with uBlock Origin. Is this one of those A/B test things where I'll get it eventually? I know the ad bomb rolled out slowly[0] and we know they're looking for a way to foil ad blocking without drawing bad press and regulatory scrutiny.
Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox
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#62Imo, it's just too difficult to maintain compatibility through a natural language specification. Things like browsers need some kind of open source reference implementation to act as a spec to maintain interoperability. https://benoitessiambre.com/specification.html
It existed and was called Amaya.[1] Unfortunately it was way too expensive to keep it up to date with the ever-evolving specifications, and slowing down spec development was a non-starter. So it was canned.
Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox
#63Conspiracy theorists on top already even though this also happened on Chrome multiple times in history. Sometimes software can be a bitch, there's no reason to believe this is intentional
Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox
#64Imo, it's just too difficult to maintain compatibility through a natural language specification. Things like browsers need some kind of open source reference implementation to act as a spec to maintain interoperability. https://benoitessiambre.com/specification.html
A reference implementation isn't really enough either though. Think about Perl, which is implementation defined, vs Python, which is specification defined.
Python is much more successful (it really ate Perl's lunch), and less of a moving target, because of this. Alternate implementations of don't really exist, because they're always having to play catch-up. Python's specifications level the field a bit.
Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox
#65It works for me on Windows 10, Firefox Developer Edition, no addon that touches youtube. Logged in, not premium
Try scrolling through comments or watch a video with chat. It seems the slowdowns happen in those components.
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#67NAS with lots of storage + tubesync + jellyfin. problem solved.
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#68Can confirm. Google is a new Microsoft, they leverage their position to cross promote their shit browser and their shit data stealing services. Sorry guys, if your data collection website doesn't work well with Firefox and uBlock Origin, I just won't use it.
The behavior is awful, but I wouldn’t call chrome shit. I keep trying to switch away and keep ending back up on it because everything else has inferior performance, or is just a clone of chrome and its rendering engine.
I still develop some rather complex React applications on Firefox at work and let the tester see if it works on Chrome. There is one page in our admin interface that loads 40,000 records that is much worse on Firefox than Chrome.
I am noticing an increasing number of sites that just plain don't work on Firefox including the one I use to pay my credit card.
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#69Yeah, it's time for Google to be broken up into pieces because of anti-competitive laws and really get back to making America into a capitalistic society once again.
It's hard to get more capitalistic that the owners of capital trying to build monopolies since that's what maximizes value for shareholders.
Turns out "free markets" (by the econ 101 definition) are bad for capital owners so they try to have the markets be as not free as possible, I'm shocked they would do this (well, not that shocked)
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#70I found it freezes every 60 seconds, and I just click the "Share" button and "Starting at", and copied the time into the URL and reload the page... then it works. After a few times I got into the habit of "increment seconds by 60, reload page". I don't know why it has to be so hard, I seldom to never go to YouTube now because of how badly it works. Feels super anti-competitive to own YouTube and Chrome, and to punish…
Might as well just download videos and watch them later.
This is actually what I do most of the time. I feel like that anecdote of RMS where he says he wgets web pages and e-mails them to himself.