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Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by mettamage »

Mistletoe wrote: post #43
mettamage wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instances like this really make me feel that capitalism is devoid of any morality. If there's no law guarding it, a company will abuse its power in order to make more money. It could be a morally good thing, a morally bad thing, it doesn't matter: more money is more money. It feels heartless. I wish there was a better system.

Capitalism only works with proper regulation to protect the little people. We’ve forgotten that part for quite some time now.

I'd agree. It's hard though, political landscapes change. Well intended companies can also change as they get bigger. I guess in that sense it's all in flux, including capitalism (as it's only enabled through laws and regulations).

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by mattashii »

ghusto wrote: post #22
shinycode wrote: post #8

It’s good to know that GDPR is not just annoying banners

GDPR was never annoying banners, that's just malicious compliance.

In most cases those banners are not even compiant, so "malicious non-compliance" is generally speaking more accurate.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by michaelt »

sneak wrote: post #51
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

The surveillance systems in the EU are just as invasive, and frequently moreso, than in the US. This is largely a false meme, an urban legend. There is no meaningful privacy difference between Europe and the US. This is simply a money grab; it won’t move the needle on privacy one bit. You’ll still be surveilled everywhere you go in Europe by the state, the mobile operators, and most of the other apps on your phone. F…

Of course US companies do more snooping.

The US is where companies from Google, Facebook, and Microsoft to Visa, Mastercard and Equifax are headquartered.

EU-based snooping companies just aren't as good at it, and don't have anywhere near the same scale.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by di4na »

AlanYx wrote: post #42

Can anyone explain how this relates to the EU-US Data Privacy Framework (also sometimes called the Trans-Atlantic Data Privacy Framework)? I thought that that framework was supposed to allow this (as a replacement for the EU–US Privacy Shield framework)? Presumably this wouldn't have been a problem under Privacy Shield (i.e., pre-2020), or am I getting that wrong?

You are getting this wrong.

Basically the framework, like the Shield before, is the Commission trying to show "look, we fixed it".

Sadly, for the previous two times, the ECJ pointed out after the fact that no framework can fix the lack of data privacy law in the US, and that as such, the Shield, just like its predecessor, was not allowing what it claimed to do.

The Framework has not been tested in the ECJ so far, but the US has not significantly altered its laws so...

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by mettamage »

allendoerfer wrote: post #30
mettamage wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instances like this really make me feel that capitalism is devoid of any morality. If there's no law guarding it, a company will abuse its power in order to make more money. It could be a morally good thing, a morally bad thing, it doesn't matter: more money is more money. It feels heartless. I wish there was a better system.

We have tried systems based on some seemingly absolute moral codex. Some parts of the world are still doing it. Unfortunately it always comes with brutal ways to kill arbitrary groups of people.

I'd agree, hence that's why I said I wish there was a better system. I don't know it either. Although it might be an uncomfortable truth for me, capitalism isn't great either, but I do think it's the best system we have.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by lifestyleguru »

ghusto wrote: post #22
shinycode wrote: post #8

It’s good to know that GDPR is not just annoying banners

GDPR was never annoying banners, that's just malicious compliance.

Since GDPR every interaction with public administration, healthcare, and employer within EU results with additional form or two "oh that's just a GDPR form, you have to sign it". I imply they are all malicious as well?

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by michaelt »

herodoturtle wrote: post #47
okasaki wrote: post #32

Meanwhile the UK handed all of its patient medical records to Palantir.

Source?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/nov/21/patient-priv... very widely reported on - you'll find lots more reporting on Google.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by hasanhaja »

djaouen wrote: post #39
niek_pas wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

\s, I hope? Not using US-made products is basically impossible in the modern world.

Open source is (usually) free. I’m just saying, if they really wanted to, other countries could build their own shit. They just don’t. :)

The following example isn't a tech product, but it demonstrates the outrageous anticompetitive practices some of these monopolies engage in to suffocate people who are just building their own shit:

Chokepoint Capitalism with Cory Doctorow - FACTUALLY Podcast: https://youtu.be/vluAOGJPPoM?si=zuezwnlUHhuoQFNt&t=2668

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by gherkinnn »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

Why can't this argument die? What innovation? These practices are those of parasites and leeches and ticks.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by manuelmoreale »

herodoturtle wrote: post #47
okasaki wrote: post #32

Meanwhile the UK handed all of its patient medical records to Palantir.

Source?

Edit: since someone already posted the guardian link i'll update mine with this one https://theconversation.com/palantir-privacy-fears-over-hand...
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