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Why Ed-Tech Startups Don't Scale (2022)

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Re: Why Ed-Tech Startups Don't Scale (2022)

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Maybe as a venture funded startup they don’t. I run a modestly successful edtech business that I have line of sight to making my full time gig in a few years if growth continues. www.reportcardcomments.com I think consumer edtech that makes products focused on making individual teachers’ lives easier has a niche. Maybe not as a 100x unicorn, but as a one person business, there’s plenty of opportunity yet out there.

How does this make money? It says it’s free, and I don’t see any ads.

Re: Why Ed-Tech Startups Don't Scale (2022)

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Maybe as a venture funded startup they don’t. I run a modestly successful edtech business that I have line of sight to making my full time gig in a few years if growth continues. www.reportcardcomments.com I think consumer edtech that makes products focused on making individual teachers’ lives easier has a niche. Maybe not as a 100x unicorn, but as a one person business, there’s plenty of opportunity yet out there.

This is not an “edtech startup.” It’s a side hustle

The comment didn't claim it was a startup, but besides that: there's a number of successful startups that have began life as "side hustles"

Re: Why Ed-Tech Startups Don't Scale (2022)

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Maybe as a venture funded startup they don’t. I run a modestly successful edtech business that I have line of sight to making my full time gig in a few years if growth continues. www.reportcardcomments.com I think consumer edtech that makes products focused on making individual teachers’ lives easier has a niche. Maybe not as a 100x unicorn, but as a one person business, there’s plenty of opportunity yet out there.

How does this make money? It says it’s free, and I don’t see any ads.

Turn off your ad blocker. There's a big obnoxious ad in the centre of the page

Re: Why Ed-Tech Startups Don't Scale (2022)

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Yeah canvas and blackboard were are one point startups, I'm sure there's some products that can scale, but the market is probably driven by bureaucratic compliance more than a genuine desire to improve the quality of education for students

I only have experience of the university side of EdTech, but in my experience people were extremely interested in anything that would make it easier for lecturers to do their jobs, improve student experience, etc. What they weren’t interested in was anything that changed the general dynamic of the university or replaced their core business. Marking tools, stuff that helps deliver lectures, anything of that variety wa…

Unless it's textbooks. Then the students will spend spend spend (if you are in the USA).

Re: Why Ed-Tech Startups Don't Scale (2022)

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I’d want to see extensive research on the benefits of Ed-Tech products before they are unleashed on classrooms full of actual students. “Making things easier for teachers” is often not the case and simultaneously creates costs for training and support at these institutions along with the exponential growth required to administer these new roles. And then of course are the students themselves. How do iPads compare to…

Yah. I am a teacher and I'm deeply skeptical of ed-tech. There is no substitute for doing the work (as the teacher or as the student). I like that I have an automated gradebook and communications tool. I like that I can e-mail students and accept work done outside the room via Google Docs. And it's pretty great to be able to present slides from me or students, or occasionally look at a Desmos or Jupyter notebook. Kha…

I hear a lot of complaints about edtech from the teacher I’m married to, and this is a common thread in how it fails: it tries to automate away the classroom experience rather than empower the instructor. Most teachers, good ones anyway, don’t want to spend less time teaching, they want to spend less time fussing around with bullshit like marking late assignments complete in two different systems and responding to irate parent emails to reassure them that the assignment actually is marked complete where it matters, just not in the system they’re looking at. Not only do a lot of these systems try to automate the wrong thing — instruction — they totally fail where it counts by making more work for the teacher.

Re: Why Ed-Tech Startups Don't Scale (2022)

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I only have experience of the university side of EdTech, but in my experience people were extremely interested in anything that would make it easier for lecturers to do their jobs, improve student experience, etc. What they weren’t interested in was anything that changed the general dynamic of the university or replaced their core business. Marking tools, stuff that helps deliver lectures, anything of that variety wa…

Unless it's textbooks. Then the students will spend spend spend (if you are in the USA).

They have no choice though

Re: Why Ed-Tech Startups Don't Scale (2022)

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Yah. I am a teacher and I'm deeply skeptical of ed-tech. There is no substitute for doing the work (as the teacher or as the student). I like that I have an automated gradebook and communications tool. I like that I can e-mail students and accept work done outside the room via Google Docs. And it's pretty great to be able to present slides from me or students, or occasionally look at a Desmos or Jupyter notebook. Kha…

I hear a lot of complaints about edtech from the teacher I’m married to, and this is a common thread in how it fails: it tries to automate away the classroom experience rather than empower the instructor. Most teachers, good ones anyway, don’t want to spend less time teaching, they want to spend less time fussing around with bullshit like marking late assignments complete in two different systems and responding to ir…

Yes: I like your way of describing this. I think it's because of this:

Bloom showed that students instructed 1 on 1 did about two sigma better than those learning in a classroom environment. There's a huge temptation here, to think that technology can claw some of those 2 standards back through individualization and differentiation. As a result, everyone wants to build systems that do instruction and try to directly improve outcomes.

But kids won't work hard for a computer's approval.

Re: Why Ed-Tech Startups Don't Scale (2022)

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do you also demand extensive academic research for benefits of tools for developers, business etc? Yes, there is an issue with tools and software that creates more problems that they solve (just as in business) but that doesnt mean all technology is bad.

The environment of a school is much more rigid and authoritarian than many workplaces (e.g. everyone must use this exact thing in this exact way all together right now), and students don't usually have much choice in their school. The tools are often taxpayer funded as well. Not to mention the fact that those affected by ed-tech are often minors. So I think it's reasonable for there to be some extra scrutiny surround…

plenty of employees cant pick and choose their tools. Many working in service jobs etc have to use exactly what their employer tells them too.

Re: Why Ed-Tech Startups Don't Scale (2022)

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Unless it's textbooks. Then the students will spend spend spend (if you are in the USA).

They have no choice though

The university has a choice to not force such things. There are open source alternatives such as openstax. There's little reason to force students to buy expensive textbooks.

Re: Why Ed-Tech Startups Don't Scale (2022)

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The environment of a school is much more rigid and authoritarian than many workplaces (e.g. everyone must use this exact thing in this exact way all together right now), and students don't usually have much choice in their school. The tools are often taxpayer funded as well. Not to mention the fact that those affected by ed-tech are often minors. So I think it's reasonable for there to be some extra scrutiny surround…

plenty of employees cant pick and choose their tools. Many working in service jobs etc have to use exactly what their employer tells them too.

Very true but at least in theory those employees don't get arrested for not coming to work and can choose to work somewhere else.
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