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Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by occz »

zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #53
Philpax wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from the reasons others have provided, a not-insubstantial number of people can't use their mouth: for reasons of disability or other, they cannot produce enough suction with their mouth alone. For this demographic, paper straws are a significant issue: https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/07/11/627773979/wh...

Most people don't need straws. Default should be no straw, but have the nice plastic ones available for those who request them.

Agreed. Just do something like charge 10 cents for it and waive the fee for anyone with a disability, that should kill most of the waste.

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by scarab92 »

NexusGS wrote: post #50

I am sure that Starbucks will find a way to offset those emissions that the Jet will release to the planet, right? If they need him so badly (and I don't doubt about his skills or his ability to deliver) they can arrange a schedule with him that will get him a few continuous days per month in a hotel in Seattle, a few days per month travelling abroad (which is part of the JD) and a few days from home. But commuting w…

Given it’s Starbucks, it’s almost certain that they will be using biofuels or have a carbon offset in place.

Given that, is there a problem with using a jet in this way?

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by pjc50 »

maxehmookau wrote: post #18
scarab92 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private jets should be required to burn biofuels or purchase carbon offsets. If you can afford a private jet, you can easily afford to make it carbon neutral.

Taxes on jet fuel for private usage should be 3x higher too. It's not real money to these folks; I doubt he'd even notice.

Insanely, the Chicago Convention of 1944 exempts international flights from any fuel tax. https://www.icao.int/publications/pages/doc7300.aspx

Various attempts to work round this without rewriting the convention have been discussed, e.g. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn00... but I don't think they've got anywhere.

The US _might_ be able to tax fuel on domestic flights, but that would result in the California to Seattle flight going via Canada to avoid the tax.

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by [deleted] »

bArray wrote: post #8
seydor wrote: post #3

i bet he will ban plastic straws to compensate

Exactly. We're all expected to suffer the inconvenience of soggy straws to offset this guys near daily commute. And it's not just this. Near all elites have unsustainable lifestyles that we are expected to offset by changing our daily habits.

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Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by pjc50 »

scarab92 wrote: post #62
NexusGS wrote: post #50

I am sure that Starbucks will find a way to offset those emissions that the Jet will release to the planet, right? If they need him so badly (and I don't doubt about his skills or his ability to deliver) they can arrange a schedule with him that will get him a few continuous days per month in a hotel in Seattle, a few days per month travelling abroad (which is part of the JD) and a few days from home. But commuting w…

Given it’s Starbucks, it’s almost certain that they will be using biofuels or have a carbon offset in place. Given that, is there a problem with using a jet in this way?

That's a very big "given" with no evidence. ESG statements are the sort of thing that should be regarded with extreme skepticism, as are carbon offsets.

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by orwin »

pjc50 wrote: post #17
stavros wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What soured my opinion of Greenpeace is how they kept us burning fossil fuels for decades longer than we should have been, with their anti-nuclear propaganda. I don't know if that was paid for by fossil fuel companies, but it sure really suited them. Greenpeace did untold damage to the climate by campaigning against nuclear (and, implicitly, for fossil fuels, as there weren't other economically competitive eco-friend…

Greenpeace anti-nuclear campaigning came from the "peace" in their name: the inextricable link of nuclear energy with nuclear weapons. Their campaign against nuclear weapons testing was met with considerable violence and carried out at significant personal risk, culminating in the French government carrying out a terrorist attack in New Zealand resulting in the death of a Greenpeace member. You cannot accuse them of…

> perhaps if a stray shell hits the Zaporizhzhia or Kursk nuclear reactor we'll be reminded of that again.

We don't use graphene reactors anymore, so at worst we will experience a Fukushima-level event. And by that I mean what was expected from Fukushima in the worst-case scenario which did not happen (still, people in the exclusion zone were forcibly moved out of their houses)

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by NexusGS »

pjc50 wrote: post #65
scarab92 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given it’s Starbucks, it’s almost certain that they will be using biofuels or have a carbon offset in place. Given that, is there a problem with using a jet in this way?

That's a very big "given" with no evidence. ESG statements are the sort of thing that should be regarded with extreme skepticism, as are carbon offsets.

Personally, my biggest concerns are environmental impact and a waste of money that could have been used in many other ways (lower product prices, improve products, increase employee compensation etc).

I have no reason to doubt that the new CEO deserves his compensation package but we don't deserve all those emissions in our environment. And I am sure many employees deserve a few extra dollars per hour for their hard work!

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by maxehmookau »

harha wrote: post #43
maxehmookau wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxes on jet fuel for private usage should be 3x higher too. It's not real money to these folks; I doubt he'd even notice.

If you consider the per seat cost compared to commercial, I don’t think making it a bit more expensive will move the needle.

Exactly. And the old story of "oh well the rich will take their money elsewhere" won't work. They need to stay in the US, that's the whole point.

Maybe there will be a point where it works out cheaper to fly to another country to fuel up though. I'm sure some tax policy folks could figure this out better than I.

Tax the ~~rich~~ ultra-wealthy, and their thoughtless damage to our environment. It's about as close to a victimless tax-rise as could ever exist.

Re: Starbucks' new CEO will supercommute 1k miles from California to Seattle

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Post by hi-v-rocknroll »

bdjsiqoocwk wrote: post #21
seydor wrote: post #3

i bet he will ban plastic straws to compensate

I don't understand the point of straws. Can't you just use your mouth?

Once upon a time, women wore heavy, probably toxic lipstick that smudged and smeared a lot on cups.

Also, some people drink coffee, tea, acidic, and/or sugary drinks from straws for dental cosmetic or health reasons.

Finally, disability or convenience reasons.

Maybe we all just need to start bringing a titanium folding sporf and a metal straw with us wherever we go and do away entirely with some single use plastics and their substandard, compostable imposters.

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