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Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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The money alone is good enough. I can probably just retire with all those money and stocks. Let alone tons of techs and a shiny CV. Kudos for starting from a height most people can't reach for life. I guess you are going to start another company eventually?

9 years is a long time just for money tho. Too much money focused on that attitude

It's not that long if you can retire and learn good skills.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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All these things make me envious of people who get to work at Google or any other FAANG company, where they are both paid well and validated for their intelligence.

These are great benefits for sure, but one of the reasons I left is a totally ineffective and wasteful management structure that makes it extremely hard to actually do anything. It is very hard to feel like your work means anything at a company of that size, since the chances of having the goals of your work changed (or being laid off) at a moments notice makes it hard to stay motivated. If I take another software gi…

and then, after all that bad leadership and bureaucracy, one of the top executives (Schmidt) blames google's lost lead in AI on the workers who don't want to work anymore and are just concerned with getting all the perks and work life balance.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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Light on details and mostly seems to revolve around money.

When I worked at Google I immediately sold my stock and diversified. In hindsight that "cost" me at least $2MM. At a subsequent employer I held the stock, determined not to make the same mistake again. That "cost" me nearly $100k before I realized that the new employer's stock was not going to do what GOOG did. Anyway, congratulations to those Googlers who "picked" GOOG by not selling their GSUs and who made out like…

Different big tech but similar strategy. Sell and diversify. I think it's a reasonable one. The people that made more money took on more risk and gambled. If you went into e.g. the S&P 500 or real estate you probably did ok.

The last 15 years were good in tech but the earlier Google employees did even better.

I'm guessing neither of us made money on bitcoin or gamestop... I don't lose sleep over that.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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I've done the path from SWE to SRE and back to SWE. I was always happy to do production support and diagnose and fix production problems, so I naturally moved to SRE which is always looking for people. It was a real mistake, SRE is hugely stressful and really unrewarding compared to SWE. Yes you learn some skills and get some occasional glory, but year after year of fighting fires really didn't build any long lasting…

Thanks for recognizing what SRE/SysAdmins have to deal with all the time. I think in general that type of experience would help Developers be more empathetic to the operations side of things. Those fires often come from trade-offs made in development.

Yeah if you're a SRE or admin good luck. I think some companies are much better at looking after you than others so make sure you find somewhere good.

I think it made me a better developer because I've seen a lot of what can go wrong. Probably reduces my productivity but ultimate my stuff is more likely to work.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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All these things make me envious of people who get to work at Google or any other FAANG company, where they are both paid well and validated for their intelligence.

but the work that Googlers do most of HN can do its the proximity, pedigree, profile that you have to fit to get in to Google I'm happy for those that made it. Not everybody gets to work for Google. But the work they do are no less challenging or more important than what the rest of us do. If anything FAANG has contributed greatly to the American Firewall of Algorithms and have destroyed an entire generation's abilit…

sometimes if they pay you a large salary, the only thing they are taking from you is your ability to work for a competitor.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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Since this post is about SRE… Slight OT: what do people recommended for simple server & db monitoring (for a small saas business)? monit, nagios, victoria metrics, etc?

I personally use monit (emphasis on "simple"). I've been looking at nagios lately, though.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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post #29

I've done the path from SWE to SRE and back to SWE. I was always happy to do production support and diagnose and fix production problems, so I naturally moved to SRE which is always looking for people. It was a real mistake, SRE is hugely stressful and really unrewarding compared to SWE. Yes you learn some skills and get some occasional glory, but year after year of fighting fires really didn't build any long lasting…

And for anyone still considering SRE: when interviewing, ask how incentives/bonuses/promotions work for software engineers and how does that compare to SREs. A lot of promotable activities for SWE (shipping new things constantly) have negative value for an SRE role, since continually changing infrastructure ensures on-call never develops mastery of those systems.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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Perhaps a condescending take but I think the author got a bit of a big head from getting promoted quickly, and the subtext is that it was due to their amazing technical competence. It’s a noteworthy feat to get recruited out of school, but SRE is a godawful position with high attrition, so it’s easier than SWE to get promoted. That they regret not moving to SWE sooner ignores that SRE is a talent sink and considered a separate ladder by most companies. At this point, the ship has sailed. Eat humble pie, embrace your skillset, and move onward and upward

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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All these things make me envious of people who get to work at Google or any other FAANG company, where they are both paid well and validated for their intelligence.

Never worked at Google, but I did work at Apple and I can say with confidence that they very much do not value intelligence.
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