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CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only are directors and above immune to the RTO directives in most companies, they are also immune to location specific pay ranges in most companies. And for the few times they do require to go to the office, they can expense the entire trip, including airfare, dinners, hotels and more. The class asymmetry is ridiculous, but unfortunately most workers don’t know this fact. Edit: In case it wasn’t clear, this is no…

Everybody knows. We all have the same Internet as you

For now.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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Sure, especially in leadership you will often find sociopaths, but there's plenty of people leading by example as well. The company I'm working at comes to mind, where every level of the hierarchy, including leadership, is on a an employment contract that pays a regular salary, allows WFH/remote, and has just regular paid vacation days. Despite everyone having the option of being fully remote, it is the leadership wh…

How do you find those other companies? I'm in the middle of a job hunt now and all I'm seeing are the $200K+ jobs and jobs that don't pay enough to live comfortably (e.g. $50-60K in NYC).

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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I think it's more important for CEOs to be located in the same city as the company HQ than it is for any randomly selected employee to be. When VIPs visit the company, they expect the CEO to be present, not on Zoom. Plus, there used to be this thing where leadership had a more than tenuous connection to the legacy and culture of the businesses they ran, and even to the cities their companies were a part of. That's ha…

> Imagine hearing a CEO say something like "I care about Company X" but they're saying it from a thousand miles away, over a Zoom call, while all their employees are on site and hating being there. That says something about work today.

Wow, it's like you've been in our company Zoom calls.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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post #40

A recurring theme in so many startups I've seen inside is how the CEO in particular is extremely aloof with regards to presence. Sometimes that translates to aloofness for staff, but what more often happens is that when the CEO _does_ come in they expect other people to be there. So long as the alignment is good they don't care, but when it's not aligned, they just assume nobody is ever around and get real pissy abou…

> A proper theory of the mind can often be quite absent.

+1 spicy!

> Make a fun space, and make people's work schedules be loose enough to where they can actually relax in the space, and some people will show up!

I've tried to tell this to a couple of places that wanted me to work in a office. The conversations didn't go anywhere - perhaps because of your prior quote? :)

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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post #34

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They'll be there when the VIPs are. > Both executives have agreed to commute frequently for their role. Starbucks will allow Niccol to use its corporate plane, and Victoria’s Secret will cover Super’s travel expenses. They'll probably be ferrying the VIPs on said jet, making a brief appearance, then golf and a fancy dinner.

‘Commuting’ on a private plane or with all expenses paid. That is not commuting.

Guaranteed the time spent doing that is considered work.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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post #54
post #49

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I honestly wonder if the secret to quality of life is just to save up money and buy a profitable small or medium sized business mostly financed against the business. If you want to grow it, you can. Otherwise, you can get relatively passive income out of it and experience as a CEO that allows you to apply to other CEO jobs if it fails.

I don't know about that. Everyone and their mom is Founder/CEO of some business now days. Almost everyone in my network that can't get a job is running a "company".

That's not the same thing. Those aren't real companies. This is buying existing, profitable companies with real employees and customers.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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This is engagement bait unless it has stats. What proportion of days are CEOs working remotely, what proportion are professional staff? As someone who has done shift work before, it seems to me that the real dividing line is between professionals and non-progressional, not CEOs vs professionals.

How do you define "professional"? I would expect doctors to be in that group, but they're mostly still pretty tied to a seat. The really highly paid ones like surgeons especially so.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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post #40

A recurring theme in so many startups I've seen inside is how the CEO in particular is extremely aloof with regards to presence. Sometimes that translates to aloofness for staff, but what more often happens is that when the CEO _does_ come in they expect other people to be there. So long as the alignment is good they don't care, but when it's not aligned, they just assume nobody is ever around and get real pissy abou…

> Sometimes that translates to aloofness for staff, but what more often happens is that when the CEO _does_ come in they expect other people to be there.

Anecdotally, I have seen companies that have "oscillations" in their WFH policy and this, in my experience, has often been the driver of it. Instead of putting trust in the process or the data, you will simply have a situation where the CEO or (especially) where a group of the top level execs are all in the office on a particular day when the office 'feels empty', which then results in a "where is everyone" conversation. Couple that with a sniff of an internal deadline being missed or something behind schedule and suddenly you have a perfect storm of discontent resulting in updated WFH rules and policies being hastily fired off without regard to actual performance data or previous commitments or conclusions drawn around WFH policy.

> Make a fun space, and make people's work schedules be loose enough to where they can actually relax in the space, and some people will show up!

Personally, I don't care about having my workplace be fun or loaded with too many amenities. But if I'm going to be in a company workplace, I do need an office with a closing door if I'm expected to be able to focus and be productive. So much of the insanity with the WFH debate is employers who think that people can be productive or enjoy their work when working in loud, open-concept office configurations. For a lot of employees the WFH vs. office debate then feels very much a "my private, quiet home office vs. chaotic, loud office environment" debate.

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